Person with MH problems should not be better off no working

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Just that really. Someone working a minimum wage job full-time should not be worse off than someone not working due to mental health problems and claiming benefits.
I know several people in this situation claiming UC for housing benefit, council tax, ESA, disability top up and PIP. They all have no work record and few qualifications so would probably only get a minimum wage job. But their income would reduce. So they have a financial incentive not to recover.

Two have no work history at all. The other has only previously done low paid jobs.

I'd maybe agree with you if minimum wage was a living wage, but it's not.

What you are essentially saying is that those unable to work should get just enough money to exist. Do you think people with mental health problems so severe they can't work don't deserve a meaningful life?

@GCITC do you think people doing low paid work deserve not to live a meaningful life?

Squashed Squid
What evidence do you have to say that having a disability cost you an extra £1000 a month?

What do you do for work?

Because having a CV that illustrates reliability and being a grafter usually means you are able to move jobs.

But if not, claim depression, go on benefits, as you seem to think that's a better option. (Ask your friends/family what to say to the GP and how to fill out the relevant forms sounds like they can).

You are in the wrong world (capitalist) to post this. Capitalism is about taking the most and giving the least.

People doing low paid work and not getting paid enough to live a meaningful life, is nothing to do with people who are unable to work and paid enough to live a meaningful life.
It is comparing apples and oranges.
When I last worked, I was on less than what I get in benefits now. I managed to live alone, pay my bills and have a good social life and hobbies, and save a bit too.
I can't do that now, and I am on more.

It's called the "Disability Price Tag" and has been heavily researched, primarily by Scope. A simple Internet search would allow you to see their evidence. It's actually gone up, so is over £1000 now.

HTH

But surely it depends on the nature of your disability and how it affects you?

Yeah I do. But SUV, new kitchen, air con. It grates when you work but can’t afford a car

Working people can apply for social housing.

Why does it?

If you’re low paid, it’s because your employer is paying you a low amount. What that has to do with disabled people/those on benefits I’ll never know - they’re separate issues.

These people aren’t stealing your SUV, are they?

You are extremely unlikely to get it though. There is a massive shortage

lordslibrary.parliament.uk/cost-of-living-impact-of-rising-costs-on-disabled-people/#:~:text=These%20extra%20costs%20associated%20with,material%20boost%20to%20disposable%20income.

Can I apply for an SUV? And a new kitchen?

Not the fault of people who can get it though.

So you are envious? that's a you issue really.

Of course not

Well, yes, obviously a wheelchair user with COPD might need different resources to a person with psychosis. Isn't that obvious? It's the cost of those resources that is on average of £1000.

It's hardly rocket science.

My parents are in social housing, and a new kitchen is dictated to them, and not what they ask for. And they have little say in what it looks like.
A SUV? That is nothing to do with social housing.
Or is that a dig at people on PIP who swap their payments for a car on the Motability scheme?

Really? DH and I are both working professionals and we live in social housing.

The two who have no work history at all, what age are they and what are their MH issues that have completely disallowed them from working
Honestly interested as I know no one in those sort of positions, however I do know a lot of people who can hold down full time demanding careers whilst suffering from very bad anxiety, depression and various other ailments

I’d love social housing, I can barely cover the cost of private rental as a single parent. I don’t begrudge the people that have it, I just wish there was more of it so I could have it too

I know.

We are all struggling. Some of us worked years to gain qualifications and get good jobs and yet struggle to make ends meet. But do we really have to blame the more vulnerable among us and resent them for what they have? Would we be happier if they were all begging in the streets?

Like I said there is something wrong with the system. And when you see it first hand you end up annoyed. Fact