Gender and pronouns

[Wyki]

Before I start, the daily mail and other papers can all fuck off

I’m prepared to be flamed for this as I’ve been here long enough to know how it all works but….

aibu to tell my son he can’t have his partner over any more

It’s a new relationship. My son is 21 and the new partner is 18

He barely works and is consequently on a low salary however he does help me with childcare (that I pay a minimal amount for)

the new partner is a very petite pink haired “girl” that does ballet and dance but uses the pronoun he/him

my 11 year old daughter is finding it confusing and asked if her brother is gay. I replied with “no because the partner is very feminine and is a girl despite the pronouns” (I couldn’t care less if he was gay, sexuality isn’t important)

So am I being unreasonable in saying the partner doesn’t come over as it’s just too weird and I don’t want that example being set for my daughter

It is pre determined though

What do you mean by this? You do understand that there are variations in sex development right? And you understand what causes these?

Sex selection IVF policy has nothing to do with it- we are taking about the biological process of sex development.

Because I’m not a fuckwit

Dear Lord.

So - women with CAIS in your mind are “male”, and therefore are trans women?

Will someone please answer my question, why if you believe TWAW you feel the need to use the word 'trans'? Why?

I need to go to bed soon!

I was that young girl. I was around six. I learnt what fear was that day.

And to answer your question you mentioned the process of differentiation , I understood this to mean the process of the differential development of the gonads, the internal genital ducts, and the external genital structures into one of two- male or female phenotypes.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/12834017/

Oh good. Looks like you're answering questions @tandora. Would you be so kind as to answer mine?

And maybe, as you're on a roll, how anyone with the most basic medical knowledge can instantly tell the difference between a male skeleton and a female one?

Thanks ever so much x

How predictable.

Lets play the game of whataboutary and bring in DSD’s as a gotcha…

People with CAIS are male because they are conceived with XY chromosomes.

They are often observed as being female at birth because androgen receptors are non functional which means they do not develop male characteristics - in short they are immune to being male due to being unable to process testosterone. Equally they do not have female reproductive systems which is why many are diagnosed when they do not start having periods.

And now @Tandora is attempting to take us down the DSD rabbit hole, which had precisely nothing to do with being 'trans'.

I am so so sorry that happened to you. X

You may have missed out the basic fact that even differences in sexual development happen to either male or female embryos? They wouldn’t be Differences (if Sexual Development) if it wasn’t possible to compare with the baseline for their sex.

The extremely rare people with DSDs are still either male or female but with abnormalities for their sex.

You do know that in order to have a sex selection IVF policy they have to be confident that the sex of the embryo is fixed? It is fixed from day 1.

It’s not whataboutery AT ALL.

Although I would agree with your basic representation of the biology of the condition, I would not support calling women with CAIS “male” (and that is not the scientific or medical consensus either) but ultimately that particular argument is nothing but semantics- what matters is that you believe them to be (what you call) “male” and , regardless of their personal biological and social realities , you attach political importance and policy mandates to that externally imposed label- “male”.

So if you believe them to be male- as you state - this presumably means according to your belief system women with CAIS are trans women and therefore also “deceivers” and “pretending?”That they should be banned from female toilets and female changing rooms and female sports? Now please tell me how that has anything to do with either science or justice?

Can you point to where Bread said anything of the sort? Why are you making stuff up?

Toseland I am so sorry. (hug)

Pronouns are rohypnol.

fairplayforwomen.com/pronouns/

Can we please leave intersex people out of this? They're nothing to do with trans people and are sick of being used as "examples".

As for how you know if a baby is a boy or a girl - if he's got a dinkle, he's a boy.

I consider any man in the ladies loos, however they are dressed, to be a predator - once he's stepped over the boundary you know that he has no respect for women and girls. To challenge a predator is difficult and many women will be cowed into saying nothing. That is not consent.

I mean precisely what I said. Sex is determined at conception. An embryo isn’t some ambiguous non sexed entity until cell differentiation occurs. It is sexed from the very moment a sperm fertilises the egg.
IVF “policy” doesn’t come into it… you offer no explanation for how sex selection is possible if sex is not determined at conception. Embryos are typically implanted within days of fertilisation. If sex wasn’t able to be accurately determined, you’d expect sex selection to fail around 50% of the time. Instead of being successful 99% of the time.
You are just constantly rehashing the same old TRA talking points. As though we can’t accurately sex humans, as if that’s never been a thing. That somehow, throughout history, humans with a long dangly thing between their legs have sought out any orifice that came along and just hoped for the best. And the DSD side quest. Predictable. But you gave it a good shot.

No we can’t, because people insist on denying the existence of trans people because they don’t understand the biology of sex. So it is necessary for explain the biology of sex which can’t be done without acknowledging the existence of such persons.

And she's deliberately ignoring my questions, too. Can't for the life of me think why?

[waves at @Tandora]

Precisely. No decent man would want to violate women’s boundaries like that. I’d take my chances undressing in front of ten men on the street who didnt want to be in a women’s changing room over one who would any day.

So this post is also for @BelfastBard

A trans woman is a male person who, for reasons best known to themselves, says they are a woman.

HTH.

So what are you saying here?

'Trans people' have DSDs?

Because there is zero evidence for this.

No decent man? And man is obviously synonymous with biological male right? And “biological male” - Thats determined at conception right? By karyotype? So includes women with CAIS right? So they are indecently violating your boundaries by changing in the women’s changers right? Any decent women with CAIS would go in the men’s? And you are the decent one here right? And all this is so obvious..