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To tell child not to be in any photos without her sister

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SpanishFork · 10/04/2025 12:17

I have issues with my in-laws excluding my eldest daughter who is my husband’s stepdaughter from photographs. This upsets my eldest.

BiL has two sets of children with the elder ones in their twenties, I saw FiL talking to one of them and the nephew then chatted to the elder siblings and cousins and they then took turns to take photos. When my eldest took the photos instructions were given to her and it is ALWAYS these photos that appear at in-laws so pictures of bio grandchildren without my daughter.

On Easter Saturday can I instruct my five year old not to stand in any photos with her cousins without her sister?

OP posts:
WimpoleHat · 12/04/2025 09:10

The thing that leaps out at me (from the other thread as well) is that the DH clearly doesn’t think his parents are being unreasonable. And - understandably - everything here is coming from the OP’s viewpoint. From the other thread, she talks about being pretty shocked and horrified to see the other cousins there having a “party lunch” from which her DD had deliberately been excluded, but she says her DH saw them when he dropped off the younger DD and just saw it as some of the other kids being around for the day. She complains here that other kids treat her older DD “like someone they have to be polite to” - but couldn’t one equally say they all treat her with courtesy? I get the feeling of people walking on eggshells here. OP says that all she wants is for them to be kind to her older DD, but I don’t see any evidence that they aren’t: there’s a Christmas gift, an Easter egg if they’re there. The OP’s beef is that they don’t treat her like a grandchild. But she knows that they don’t see her as a grandchild (as her DH’s sister has confirmed) and that’s not unreasonable because she isn’t their grandchild…..

I’ve said this upthread - but biology is one of those things that is hugely important to some people and not at all to others. But it clearly is to the OP’s in laws. By the sound of it, if the BIL has two sets of children, this isn’t their first rodeo with blended families and in laws with step children; maybe as a result of that, the idea of having events and photos with “all their grandchildren” is really special because that’s the only way they’ve seen those kids all together and been able to facilitate the relationships between them? And - if so - when the OP’s younger DD came along as their youngest grandchild, they wanted to slot her in to that set up.

The other thing I think is true here (as in life generally) is that just because someone isn’t included in something doesn’t mean that they’ve been deliberately excluded. “We don’t often get younger DD on her own so it would be really nice to get her together with her cousins” doesn’t equal “Greaf - older DD is out of the way, so let’s have a party.” “We’d like to have a photo with our grandchildren” doesn’t mean that they deliberately refuse to take a photo that she’s in. If they don’t send her a birthday gift, it’s more likely that they haven’t remembered than they’ve “refused to acknowledge” the date. They aren’t very interested? Probably not. But that’s a different thing from actively snubbing her. I really think that the best thing for everyone would be for the OP to pull back a bit from these “family events”. Let her DH take the younger one and do something lovely with her own DD from time to time. You can’t control other people’s feelings and actions and whether one thinks that the in laws are reasonable or not, it’s odds on that their feelings won’t change. So better to accept that and be further away from the situation rather than simmer with resentment and hurt feelings.

CandidExpert · 12/04/2025 09:15

When his cousin got married my eldest was not on invitation just you get who was a baby. He immediately rang his siblings to see if only babies were invited but when other nephews and nieces were he was on phone and cousin sent her an invitation.
I have not posted about this.
Photographs were taken of all the kids but then specific sets and DH’s nieces took youngest out of my eldest arms and they all asked her to step out. I did not know this until two days afterwards when she told me how it made her feel.

So at this point the now 5 year old was a baby, meaning the Stepchild was only 4 or 5. That's very young to be holding a baby, and potentially awkward looking in photos. Photographs have been taken of ALL the kids by this point and the older nieces asked for a photo of them holding their baby cousin. Especially as the now 5 year old was a lockdown baby, presumably this 2020 or 2021 wedding was one of few opportunities for photos with the new addition to the family.

I've got similar pictures at family events where I'm just holding one baby and the baby's whole sibset aren't in every shot. I have pictures of me as a baby without my other siblings at weddings etc being held by cousins, aunties etc. It's just a normal thing that happens at family events. Not every child is in every single picture. That's just life.

And it could have been easily explained to a then 4 or 5 year old without it being made into such a big thing about her sister being "taken out of her arms" and her being "forced to step out" etc that OP is still stewing over years later.

My Mum, our shared Grandparent and half-sibling have pictures together just the three of them on my half-sibling's wedding day. My Dad and I were asked to step aside for the photo, by my half-sibling. I was a child at the time as half-sibling was an adult when I was born. It's not traumatised me for life and, as young as I was, I understood why it was a nice picture for them to have.

Likewise, I understood why my Dad and I weren't at the top-table, even though half-sibling never knew their father and my Dad was very good to them and looked after them from childhood so was the closest thing they had to a father. It was because they didn't want the awkwardness of me being on the top table and perhaps needing more attention from our Mum on a day that they needed her more. We were a blended family and this sort of thing is all just par for the course. Sometimes we did things together, sometimes separately. There was no insistence that everything be equal 100% of the time and that both of us had to be in pictures in all three sets of grandparents houses for example (given our age gap, my half-sibling never actually met my paternal grandparents and I never met theirs, obviously). Luckily, my parents explained things clearly from a young age so I didn't take everything personally. It's really important for parents to manage not just their own expectations but their kids too.

I was fine hearing..."Tom is Ashley's cousin but not yours, so they get Ashley a Christmas present. But Ashley doesn't get one from Sara, because Sara is your cousin, not Ashley's" for example. It's easy enough to explain that "your sister and you have different grandparents" to an almost 10 year old. She doesn't call her stepfather Dad so she already must know on some level that these are not her grandparents.

And there is nothing wrong with the other children in the family referring to themselves as half-siblings. That's how they see themselves and it's not up to the OP to police and express her unhappiness at how other people refer to their own family relationships.

It would be much better for her to focus her energies on building a connection with her oldest child's father's side of the family, particularly her paternal grandmother who was previously involved.

Curlycurio · 12/04/2025 09:30

WimpoleHat · 12/04/2025 09:10

The thing that leaps out at me (from the other thread as well) is that the DH clearly doesn’t think his parents are being unreasonable. And - understandably - everything here is coming from the OP’s viewpoint. From the other thread, she talks about being pretty shocked and horrified to see the other cousins there having a “party lunch” from which her DD had deliberately been excluded, but she says her DH saw them when he dropped off the younger DD and just saw it as some of the other kids being around for the day. She complains here that other kids treat her older DD “like someone they have to be polite to” - but couldn’t one equally say they all treat her with courtesy? I get the feeling of people walking on eggshells here. OP says that all she wants is for them to be kind to her older DD, but I don’t see any evidence that they aren’t: there’s a Christmas gift, an Easter egg if they’re there. The OP’s beef is that they don’t treat her like a grandchild. But she knows that they don’t see her as a grandchild (as her DH’s sister has confirmed) and that’s not unreasonable because she isn’t their grandchild…..

I’ve said this upthread - but biology is one of those things that is hugely important to some people and not at all to others. But it clearly is to the OP’s in laws. By the sound of it, if the BIL has two sets of children, this isn’t their first rodeo with blended families and in laws with step children; maybe as a result of that, the idea of having events and photos with “all their grandchildren” is really special because that’s the only way they’ve seen those kids all together and been able to facilitate the relationships between them? And - if so - when the OP’s younger DD came along as their youngest grandchild, they wanted to slot her in to that set up.

The other thing I think is true here (as in life generally) is that just because someone isn’t included in something doesn’t mean that they’ve been deliberately excluded. “We don’t often get younger DD on her own so it would be really nice to get her together with her cousins” doesn’t equal “Greaf - older DD is out of the way, so let’s have a party.” “We’d like to have a photo with our grandchildren” doesn’t mean that they deliberately refuse to take a photo that she’s in. If they don’t send her a birthday gift, it’s more likely that they haven’t remembered than they’ve “refused to acknowledge” the date. They aren’t very interested? Probably not. But that’s a different thing from actively snubbing her. I really think that the best thing for everyone would be for the OP to pull back a bit from these “family events”. Let her DH take the younger one and do something lovely with her own DD from time to time. You can’t control other people’s feelings and actions and whether one thinks that the in laws are reasonable or not, it’s odds on that their feelings won’t change. So better to accept that and be further away from the situation rather than simmer with resentment and hurt feelings.

Yes. I think some posters have read OP saying they have form for "excluding" eldest and reacted to that, but haven't paid too much attention to the examples OP actually gave. I don't think it sounds like they are excluding her. I think that DH is right and they are kind to her when she's around and that's a reasonable expectation. And I definitely think this is more about OP and DD's feelings about her paternal family.

Fwiw I don't think OP is wrong to be upset and want to find a way to support her daughter. I just think she's looking at it the wrong way by focusing on GP rather than dealing with feelings about having a different paternal family who have quite frankly let her daughter down massively.

IridescentRainbow · 12/04/2025 09:32

I don’t think you should ask your little girl to do this, but I do think your in laws are missing out on what could be a very special relationship by excluding her. My niece was introduced to my parents when she was three, and was immediately included in the family as a granddaughter. She was never treated any differently, and now, in her forties, is a very much valued member of the family, despite her mum and my brother having been divorced when she was 16. My parents are both deceased now. She’s still my niece, still as special to me as her brother and sister are. And I have to say that if her mother had gone on to have other children after divorce, we as a family would not have left them out on family occasions either. Children notice unfair treatment and don’t understand the biological links that your in-laws obviously think are important.

Tandora · 12/04/2025 09:43

UrinalCake · 12/04/2025 08:38

This is what it boils down to.

A lot of the posts have been about whether people think MIL and PIL are in the right. But this doesn't matter in the slightest. This family have well established attitudes, that look to apply across the board given the way BILs kids talk about themselves as half siblings. Depending on the age of his second lot of DC, those attitudes may even have been present already when OP chose to marry in. She is stuck with them.

The question therefore is OP manages this situation going forward. And in fairness to her, that's pretty much what the thread is about, albeit the photos plan is obviously a terrible one.

Since when is anyone stuck with who they married.

WhoisRebecca · 12/04/2025 09:53

I’ve been in my stepdad’s life since I was 3. I’ve never met my biological father. I’m now 44. When my stepdad’s father died - his family tree was put together for the funeral. My three half brothers and my mum were on there and I wasn’t. Some families are weird.

Tandora · 12/04/2025 09:53

WhoisRebecca · 12/04/2025 09:53

I’ve been in my stepdad’s life since I was 3. I’ve never met my biological father. I’m now 44. When my stepdad’s father died - his family tree was put together for the funeral. My three half brothers and my mum were on there and I wasn’t. Some families are weird.

Truly truly weird.

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 09:54

Curlycurio · 12/04/2025 09:30

Yes. I think some posters have read OP saying they have form for "excluding" eldest and reacted to that, but haven't paid too much attention to the examples OP actually gave. I don't think it sounds like they are excluding her. I think that DH is right and they are kind to her when she's around and that's a reasonable expectation. And I definitely think this is more about OP and DD's feelings about her paternal family.

Fwiw I don't think OP is wrong to be upset and want to find a way to support her daughter. I just think she's looking at it the wrong way by focusing on GP rather than dealing with feelings about having a different paternal family who have quite frankly let her daughter down massively.

So how would you explain why her eldest wasn’t invited to a family wedding when both the op, her husband (obviously) and the younger child were?

WimpoleHat · 12/04/2025 09:58

So how would you explain why her eldest wasn’t invited to a family wedding when both the op, her husband (obviously) and the younger child were?

I talked about this upthread- the wedding was a cousin of DH’s. This cousin was probably aware of DH’s wife’s name and that they’d had a DD - but may well not have known that their cousin’s wife had an older child who lived with them all the time. People aren’t always completely in the loop with what every member of the family is doing, or how they lived. When they asked if the older child could come, she was invited. Again - just because she wasn’t initially included doesn’t automatically mean that she was deliberately excluded….

Curlycurio · 12/04/2025 10:04

Munnygirl · 11/04/2025 22:14

It seems to me that she knows this wasn’t the way to go reading her subsequent posts but there seems to be a piling on from from so many women who seem to relish that this poor child isn’t blood family. it’s unbelievable

I'm interested in seeing what OP thinks after all these million pages.

As this is the second post about something similar in the last few weeks it's clearly on OP's mind/her DD's mind.

I feel like all this is coming up because it has touched on the deeper pain DD still has about her father's family. I think that's what OP needs to support her with rather than focusing on these GP. I think it's sort of a red herring and not what DD is REALLY upset about.

If anyone is excluding DD surely it is her dad and his parents who don't seem to bother with her at all?

Curlycurio · 12/04/2025 10:08

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 09:54

So how would you explain why her eldest wasn’t invited to a family wedding when both the op, her husband (obviously) and the younger child were?

Isn't that a totally different set of relatives? And as soon as DH asked about it she was invited?

WhatNoRaisins · 12/04/2025 10:09

People don't always invite all their blood relatives to weddings anyway.

WimpoleHat · 12/04/2025 10:15

Also - I do think that weddings all get a bit fraught anyway.

”If you’ve invited cousins Tom and Dick, you should really ask Harry.”
”I can’t remember the last time we saw Harry!”
”No - but Grandma would want him to be there.
”Fair enough. Is his wife’s name Spanish? What’s their baby called….?”

I think that scenario is much more likely than people setting out deliberately to exclude cousin Harry’s step child, especially if, once the issue was raised, the invitation was offered without any fuss….

CandidExpert · 12/04/2025 10:17

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 09:54

So how would you explain why her eldest wasn’t invited to a family wedding when both the op, her husband (obviously) and the younger child were?

I mean I haven't been invited to some of my actual blood cousins weddings...it's a numbers game isn't it?

We're talking 4/5 years ago, an immediately post or during lockdown wedding when numbers were restricted and a cousin who presumably didn't know his cousin's partner's child from another relationship all that well. Who knows the ins and outs of the relationship but this particular child has quite a distant connection (cousin's wife's child from a previous relationship). Maybe they didn't know her actual Dad didn't have joint custody and that she wouldn't be with him that weekend. Maybe they didn't even know the child's name (a couple of my siblings have no idea what all of our second cousins are called). It doesn't say that other second cousins, or step-second cousins were invited...it says "nieces and nephews". I'd invite my nieces and nephews to my wedding...but I couldn't afford to have my second or third cousins there. And again...this is a post/during lockdown wedding as the now 5 year old was a baby...it could be explained by the fact that people weren't allowed big weddings.

Helpmeplease2025 · 12/04/2025 10:21

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 09:54

So how would you explain why her eldest wasn’t invited to a family wedding when both the op, her husband (obviously) and the younger child were?

They might not even have realised she existed. When someone brought it up, she was given an invite, suggesting it was an oversight. Tbh I forgot my DSis’s BIL had a stepchild until there was a child at their wedding I had never seen before.

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 10:28

Helpmeplease2025 · 12/04/2025 10:21

They might not even have realised she existed. When someone brought it up, she was given an invite, suggesting it was an oversight. Tbh I forgot my DSis’s BIL had a stepchild until there was a child at their wedding I had never seen before.

She has known them for at least 6 years. Of course the family knew she existed. What a bizarre thing to say

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 10:30

CandidExpert · 12/04/2025 10:17

I mean I haven't been invited to some of my actual blood cousins weddings...it's a numbers game isn't it?

We're talking 4/5 years ago, an immediately post or during lockdown wedding when numbers were restricted and a cousin who presumably didn't know his cousin's partner's child from another relationship all that well. Who knows the ins and outs of the relationship but this particular child has quite a distant connection (cousin's wife's child from a previous relationship). Maybe they didn't know her actual Dad didn't have joint custody and that she wouldn't be with him that weekend. Maybe they didn't even know the child's name (a couple of my siblings have no idea what all of our second cousins are called). It doesn't say that other second cousins, or step-second cousins were invited...it says "nieces and nephews". I'd invite my nieces and nephews to my wedding...but I couldn't afford to have my second or third cousins there. And again...this is a post/during lockdown wedding as the now 5 year old was a baby...it could be explained by the fact that people weren't allowed big weddings.

Edited

It’s not a numbers game at all. The op’s family all live in the same house and the two girls are sisters. You just don’t forget!.

Curlycurio · 12/04/2025 10:30

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 10:28

She has known them for at least 6 years. Of course the family knew she existed. What a bizarre thing to say

This was years ago when second DD was a baby

Helpmeplease2025 · 12/04/2025 10:32

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 10:28

She has known them for at least 6 years. Of course the family knew she existed. What a bizarre thing to say

Who says she knows these cousins? DH would have no idea if his cousins had step kids

Namechangetry · 12/04/2025 10:32

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 10:28

She has known them for at least 6 years. Of course the family knew she existed. What a bizarre thing to say

The wedding was when 5 year old was a baby, and occurred after lockdowns. So the DHs cousin (whose wedding it was) hadn't known older DD for 6 years, we don't even know if cousin knew her at all!

Some posters seem determined to paint the DHs family as deliberately cruel awful people, but OPs posts don't really support that.

Helpmeplease2025 · 12/04/2025 10:36

Anyway, I agree with the PP’s who have said this is more of a red herring of the DD’s feelings about her own family, I’m sure OP was advised to get her DD some help to talk about this on the previous thread.

WimpoleHat · 12/04/2025 10:36

The op’s family all live in the same house and the two girls are sisters. You just don’t forget!

The DH’s cousin and fiancée might well have done! They may not see each other from one year to the next. My DH has a cousin he - quite literally - hasn’t seen for 30 years. One of his brothers has a blended family set up and my DH wouldn’t be able to recall accurately the ins and outs of who’s who and who lives where and when. That’s no reflection on any of the kids involved at all - just a reflection of the fact that my DH isn’t at all close to his brother and so isn’t terribly interested in the details of his life (and tends to glaze over whenever MIL starts talking about any of it). Not all families are super close and see each other all the time.

Curlycurio · 12/04/2025 10:48

I also don't know if everyone would necessarily realise that what photos they put up in their house would have big significance to a stepchild.

In my own home I am extremely careful about the photos I display, and make sure that there are a good mix of photos of all the kids and us, in various combinations including some with just SD and her dad, some with me, SD and one of my younger children (same dad as SD), one of all girls together, one of just my two, one of everyone etc etc etc. But I'm a stepmum so I think very carefully about these things. Not everyone does. And actually, my family have often done things to include SD as if she was mine, SD thought it was weird. For example, my grandmother gave her a very sentimental and thoughtful gift as the eldest daughter of her generation. My SD just found it confusing as she sees it in quite black and white terms - she's not my great grandmother. Even though my grandmother saw her as such. These things are very nuanced and not everyone will understand the ins and outs of it and what will be he right or wrong thing or what matters.

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 10:59

Curlycurio · 12/04/2025 10:30

This was years ago when second DD was a baby

And that makes a difference?

Munnygirl · 12/04/2025 10:59

Helpmeplease2025 · 12/04/2025 10:32

Who says she knows these cousins? DH would have no idea if his cousins had step kids

Don’t be ridiculous of course they knew

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