I don't understand how this is manslaughter and not murder

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I am sure I am not alone in being disturbed and upset by this awful case. I can't stop thinking about this poor man, setting off for a stroll with his dog and then to be the victim of a vicious unprovoked attack of such severity that he died as a result of it. I can't understand how the boy was found guilty of manslaughter and not murder. I appreciate that a murder conviction hinges on "intent" i.e what was in the defendant's mind when they committed the offence and of course I was not in court to hear all the evidence but as a layperson I just don't get it. Maybe things will be clearer when they are sentenced. I feel so sorry for the family, the details are so awful and will surely haunt them forever. The fact that the girl filmed the attack is truly sickening but seems par for the course these days. Mr Kohli must have been terrified and in so much pain, what a terrible end to his life

These kids managed violence without any tweets

So? What's your point exactly?

Which countries in particular? I am not sure any country should metaphorically 'wash it's hands' of youth, instead try to do something about it. However it's down to individual families to set a good example to their children, not blame the country.

I suppose it is because the perpetrators are so young, the one who filmed it, laughingly, was only 12!

We'll have to wait and see what comes out about them.

That poor man, what a terrifying ordeal and how shameful for the families of those kids. I cannot even begin to imagine it.

Scum of the earth. I honestly don't care how young you are. You pound away at someone like that because you're in a bad mood after a breakup 🙄, you don't deserve freedom to move among the rest of society. You can't control yourself, and you deserve a punishment that matches the severity of the crime. You're lucky you're allowed to live out your days, tbh.

Behave

YANBU. They should be removed from life.

It’s Disgrace. The Girl was even laughing? Id be ashamed if they were my any of family, let alone child. Id wonder where i’d gone wrong.
it’s shameful she is even out on bail. That poor victims family. i would not want my kids anywhere near her.
i hope they both get the max but even then, it won’t be long enough. They’ll be out and able to live a long life while this poor bloke can’t. It scares me, what they’ve done, and if they should be let out.

I'm not a betting woman, but I'd wager my house that the parents will paint themselves and their feral scum as the real victims.

What even makes them think of behaving that way when they are out
Either ignore him or God forbid have a chat with him.
Life is much easier when your nice.

As mentioned about Murder does need to include an intention to kill just and intention to cause GBH.
the manslaughter outcome could be due to the defendant using a defence such as diminished responsibility

I really think if kids do the crime they should be named and shamed.There is no deterrent at all.
i am so sad for this man’s family,it’s horrific what he went through.

Why release adult criminals names then?

This is one of the worst cases that I’ve ever read. I do think that they should have been found guilty of murder but I do hope that they get an incredibly long sentence though nothing will begin to make up for the suffering that poor man and his family endured.

I fear for society when they are released. I don’t believe that anyone is redeemable after such a horrendous act or believe that they deserve a second chance. Nothing excuses their actions.

I always thought the difference was "malice aforethought", and for it to be murder it has to be planned, and if that was not the case it was manslaughter.

They will be treated with kid gloves just like the killers of James Bulger were. That was over 30 years ago and it seems we have learned nothing. The justice system in this country is a joke, those working within it have nothing but contempt for law-abiders, they see us as mugs worthy of only contempt. The criminals are the real victims in their eyes.

I hope they are named. The impact on the wider family will be horrible, but there’s no escaping that- it’s one of the consequences of committing a brutal crime like this. It’s important to send out that message, that you can’t hide behind anonymity after doing this sort of thing.

Maybe it really is time that parents were held accountable if the offender is under 16.

Agree. What the fuck are the parents doing whilst these kids are roaming the streets with balaclavas, beating people to death, stabbing, hacking others to death with machetes, etc?

Maybe the threat of prosecution will make them consider getting off their useless arses and actually doing some parenting.

Bearing in mind this was on 1st September and the attack included racial abuse, I wouldn't be so sure that they weren't influenced by the sort of racist incitement to murder that stupid bitch was tweeting on 29th July.

He sent his mum a message saying he couldn't come home because the police knew it was him.
She replied come home. I love you all the world, your my son
Bloody hell.

Bet she didn't give a shit what he was up to roaming around in a park.

YANBU. Particularly the racial acute and prior knowledge. His injuries were horrific.

I presume diminished responsibility.

The laughing and filming makes me think of a Black Mirror episode. It’s abhorrent.

Exactly. Hate speech has very real consequences which is exactly why it needs to be dealt with severely.

“Unpleasant tweet”. You think threatening to commit arson so many people burn to death is “unpleasant”?