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45k salary entirely eaten by childcare

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Sofiewoo · 08/04/2025 07:34

Granted salaries aren’t what they were only a handful of years ago but aibu to be shocked that my 45k salary is now entirely eaten by childcare and getting to work??
I figured if you are earning in the 20s you would assume that but not mid 40s!

I’m trying to weigh up whether to just take the next year and a half off instead of working for nothing. I know, pension, career blah blah but it’s mentally very difficult to juggle drop offs, work schedules and sickness but be no better off financially at the end of the month.

Did anyone else not realise it was a bad as this?

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SouthLondonMum22 · 13/04/2025 17:59

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 17:56

I too had a ‘career’ with a psychology background and know of lots of studies conducted that I don’t have the time to find nor do I feel the need to back my opinion.

It’s really not rocket science. Children flourish when they are being cared for by a loving parent as opposed to a young girl at a nursery that they don’t know.

Isn't that young girl raising them? If she's raising them, how don't they know her?

🤔

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 17:59

Didimum · 13/04/2025 17:58

No studies then. Gotcha 👌

Why are you so obsessed with me finding studies for you? Take a look yourself

Didimum · 13/04/2025 18:00

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 17:59

Have you looked?

Yes. And I asked for the studies that showed data with fathers as equal or main caregivers. Precisely none.

StrangerThings1 · 13/04/2025 18:01

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 17:47

I loved having a sahm
I had a wonderful childhood
I felt sorry for the children that weren’t cared for as much as I was and still feel for them 😞

Don’t feel sorry for them at all, my mother worked and I was also very well cared for and loved, some women are capable of doing both, I know many successful working women who have very happy well adjusted, well cared for children but you didn’t have a role model that could teach you that was a viable option so you went down the same route as her

Out of friends who had SAHMs and others who had working mothers, I know for a fact the ones with SAHMs turned out no better / happier than the ones with working mothers .

Wantitalltogoaway · 13/04/2025 18:01

I think it’s a shame this thread has turned into a slanging match and no one can see the nuance here. It’s not a zero sum game.

Parents (men and women) can look after their children in their preschool years AND maintain their careers. You don’t have to be a SAHP forever.

My kids have always seen me work. But they also weren’t looked after by strangers when they were little.

Didimum · 13/04/2025 18:02

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 17:59

Why are you so obsessed with me finding studies for you? Take a look yourself

Because you repeatedly say there are studies to back up your opinion. And because you are flat out embarrassing yourself and have shown incredible misogyny here. So I will call that out.

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 18:02

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 17:52

Look for the studies yourself.
Im not one of your staff in your super high flying ‘career’ at the local shop no doubt 😂

If they worked at the local shop what is wrong with that?

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:03

Listen you’re all clutching at straws here and scrapping the barrel with your insults to sahm’s just in an attempt to justify that you work for material extras rather than giving your children the time they so deserve.

I guess we’ll see more as time goes on how the children are in the next generation coming from households where their parents weren’t around.

I wish you all luck in your ‘careers’ and much love to your children ❤️

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/04/2025 18:05

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:03

Listen you’re all clutching at straws here and scrapping the barrel with your insults to sahm’s just in an attempt to justify that you work for material extras rather than giving your children the time they so deserve.

I guess we’ll see more as time goes on how the children are in the next generation coming from households where their parents weren’t around.

I wish you all luck in your ‘careers’ and much love to your children ❤️

It sounds like I spend more time with my children than your husband does with his. Maybe you need to tell him that.

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/04/2025 18:06

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 18:02

If they worked at the local shop what is wrong with that?

It's funny how men have careers but women have 'careers'.

Mary46 · 13/04/2025 18:06

My mam stayed home went back work when we were older. I enjoy working and seeing adults. Took time out when kids small back working now.

Sofiewoo · 13/04/2025 18:06

Wantitalltogoaway · 13/04/2025 18:01

I think it’s a shame this thread has turned into a slanging match and no one can see the nuance here. It’s not a zero sum game.

Parents (men and women) can look after their children in their preschool years AND maintain their careers. You don’t have to be a SAHP forever.

My kids have always seen me work. But they also weren’t looked after by strangers when they were little.

If someone is looking after a child during the day why would they be a stranger?
My daughter loves the nursery workers who care for her when she’s there. The two closest to her even attended her birthday party on a Saturday afternoon.

Maybe just stop spouting utter nonsense.

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Didimum · 13/04/2025 18:10

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:03

Listen you’re all clutching at straws here and scrapping the barrel with your insults to sahm’s just in an attempt to justify that you work for material extras rather than giving your children the time they so deserve.

I guess we’ll see more as time goes on how the children are in the next generation coming from households where their parents weren’t around.

I wish you all luck in your ‘careers’ and much love to your children ❤️

AmeliaRuby out, everyone.

Thanks for the good times and for being unable to bring any evidence to the table.

Tell your husband to cut his hours to be a better dad too. Cheers.

Sofiewoo · 13/04/2025 18:10

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:03

Listen you’re all clutching at straws here and scrapping the barrel with your insults to sahm’s just in an attempt to justify that you work for material extras rather than giving your children the time they so deserve.

I guess we’ll see more as time goes on how the children are in the next generation coming from households where their parents weren’t around.

I wish you all luck in your ‘careers’ and much love to your children ❤️

Do you hear yourself? Quote one insult you’ve had directed at yourself, meanwhile you’ve suggested that women who work after having children should have only had a cat in the first place, care for their children less than sahm’s and don’t prioritise their children.

Meanwhile you’ve given a huge long list of all the childcare responsibilities your DH opts out of while you bend yourself in half to make him a really good dad while doing less than half the parenting the women on this thread do every day.

You haven’t received a single insult, you have had your own nasty words redirected back at yourself.

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AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:15

Didimum · 13/04/2025 17:39

It gets better. Now AmeliaRuby has canvassed her children’s peers to gather data on their opinions on their parents’ sorry, their MOTHERS’ constant attendance to them between the hours of 3-6pm on an each week day. She’s has also categorised emotion into ‘envy’ by speaking to these children directly.

She’s also canvassed them for data on who also looks after them when unwell.

this is probably alien for you as you’re not present in your children’s lives but I actually KNOW my children’s peers. I have them over a lot for play dates and I KNOW their parents and families. I’m a super proactive parent.

It’s called observation. Questioning not required.

Whos embarrassing themselves now 🤔

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 18:17

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:15

this is probably alien for you as you’re not present in your children’s lives but I actually KNOW my children’s peers. I have them over a lot for play dates and I KNOW their parents and families. I’m a super proactive parent.

It’s called observation. Questioning not required.

Whos embarrassing themselves now 🤔

Actually I know plenty of full time parents who know each other in my child's school year. They manage the time to work and have play dates with each others children.

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:17

Sofiewoo · 13/04/2025 18:10

Do you hear yourself? Quote one insult you’ve had directed at yourself, meanwhile you’ve suggested that women who work after having children should have only had a cat in the first place, care for their children less than sahm’s and don’t prioritise their children.

Meanwhile you’ve given a huge long list of all the childcare responsibilities your DH opts out of while you bend yourself in half to make him a really good dad while doing less than half the parenting the women on this thread do every day.

You haven’t received a single insult, you have had your own nasty words redirected back at yourself.

This is funny. Boring but funny.

scrapping the barrel now with repetitiveness.

Continue working for free and I’ll continue my loving time with my loving family 😊

StrangerThings1 · 13/04/2025 18:17

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:03

Listen you’re all clutching at straws here and scrapping the barrel with your insults to sahm’s just in an attempt to justify that you work for material extras rather than giving your children the time they so deserve.

I guess we’ll see more as time goes on how the children are in the next generation coming from households where their parents weren’t around.

I wish you all luck in your ‘careers’ and much love to your children ❤️

Out of interest, as you are a SAHM and you are a SAHM, if you have a daughter and you are placing importance on her education and I’m sure you hope some day she will go to Uni and get a degree….what is the point as she will undoubtedly become a SAHM with your encouragement ( there is no other way after all in your opinion) and also she has no role models as her mother and grandmother did the same

You should really just focus on teaching you daughter ( If you have one ) how to cook, clean and look after a house after all that’s what she will end up doing😂😂

IVFmumoftwo · 13/04/2025 18:18

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:17

This is funny. Boring but funny.

scrapping the barrel now with repetitiveness.

Continue working for free and I’ll continue my loving time with my loving family 😊

Aren't they all at school now?

SouthLondonMum22 · 13/04/2025 18:19

Sofiewoo · 13/04/2025 18:06

If someone is looking after a child during the day why would they be a stranger?
My daughter loves the nursery workers who care for her when she’s there. The two closest to her even attended her birthday party on a Saturday afternoon.

Maybe just stop spouting utter nonsense.

Exactly.

Of course they aren't strangers. DS's old keyworker is now our good friend and babysitter.

StrangerThings1 · 13/04/2025 18:21

StrangerThings1 · 13/04/2025 18:17

Out of interest, as you are a SAHM and you are a SAHM, if you have a daughter and you are placing importance on her education and I’m sure you hope some day she will go to Uni and get a degree….what is the point as she will undoubtedly become a SAHM with your encouragement ( there is no other way after all in your opinion) and also she has no role models as her mother and grandmother did the same

You should really just focus on teaching you daughter ( If you have one ) how to cook, clean and look after a house after all that’s what she will end up doing😂😂

@AmeliaRuby I see when you have no way of defending yourself all you can manage is a laughing emoji 😂

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:22

StrangerThings1 · 13/04/2025 18:17

Out of interest, as you are a SAHM and you are a SAHM, if you have a daughter and you are placing importance on her education and I’m sure you hope some day she will go to Uni and get a degree….what is the point as she will undoubtedly become a SAHM with your encouragement ( there is no other way after all in your opinion) and also she has no role models as her mother and grandmother did the same

You should really just focus on teaching you daughter ( If you have one ) how to cook, clean and look after a house after all that’s what she will end up doing😂😂

That’s very sexiest.

I’ve never said become a sahm forever.

I did go to university and had a degree level job but my children are more important. Maybe I’ll return one day who knows, but I’d never give up those precious early years to hand them over to staff at a nursery. They were my babies and I made a commitment to them to always make them feel safe and not abandon them when they get pulled off you screaming and crying as many children do 😢

Sofiewoo · 13/04/2025 18:23

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:17

This is funny. Boring but funny.

scrapping the barrel now with repetitiveness.

Continue working for free and I’ll continue my loving time with my loving family 😊

You don’t spend any more time with your kids than I do.

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Frowningprovidence · 13/04/2025 18:25

I worked part time and picked my children up from school everyday. I hosted lots of play dates. I seriously could not have told you whose mums worked or didn't work or if they had a sahd not a sahm (from the way the children were)

AmeliaRuby · 13/04/2025 18:28

Frowningprovidence · 13/04/2025 18:25

I worked part time and picked my children up from school everyday. I hosted lots of play dates. I seriously could not have told you whose mums worked or didn't work or if they had a sahd not a sahm (from the way the children were)

Wait til they hit around 10+
It becomes very apparent from their behaviours whether they’ve had a secure loving upbringing or not. Whether their parents have been present or whether they’ve been brought up by paid staff

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