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Mum of girls (Caitlin Moran) telling us mums of boys how to speak to our sons

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Suitablefor · 04/04/2025 15:29

Thanks 🤔

OP posts:
Wildflowers99 · 04/04/2025 23:10

EdithBond · 04/04/2025 22:45

I take your point about the numbers. But my point is about proportions. Only 12% agree with his views on women. That means 88% don’t. The vast majority.

And it doesn’t mean even they will grow up as assholes. Lots of people don’t have the same views as mature adults as they do as teenagers.

It’s important to have perspective and proportionality. Since Adolescence was first broadcast, IMHO there’s been lots of hand-wringing about a crisis among young men: growing misogyny, “the manosphere”, Tate etc.

But there’s very little evidence this is a significant problem. The vast majority of young men aren’t misogynists or incels. They’re not being ‘groomed’ online by misogynists. They’re playing FIFA and Assassins Creed, watching The Sidemen etc.

The vast majority of teen murder victims are young men, not young women. (87% of 16-24 year old murder victims). Most murder victims overall (73%) are men. Of course, it’s still male violence. But largely towards men. Young men are also three times more likely to take their own life than young women.

Looking at statistics, parents should be far more worried about their sons’ safety than their daughters’.

And there’s also sexism among young women, e.g. obsession with looks etc.

This is a good post.

Adolescence has caused something of a moral panic but it’s important to keep things in perspective.

I do worry about the deep anxiety many posters have over perceived or actual misogyny and the effect this will have on their daughters.

InsectsMatter · 30/08/2025 13:20

Gurning Caitlin ‘I’m mad me’ has got to be the most annoying woman in the world.

The fake working class persona when she was raised by middle class parents is p’ly insufferable. A middle class bohemian upbringing and liking salad cream does not mean you are working class.

UsernameMcUsername · 30/08/2025 13:48

TENSsion · 04/04/2025 18:56

Surely you can understand that the humanising of the fetus with the description of the “hand waving” is really hard for some people to read.

Well it IS human? Not much anyone can do about that.

The UK has a real issue with random Opinion People who have no obvious qualifications or unusually high levels of experience being paid to hold forth on stuff. I don't know why??? If I want opinions on raising boys I'll just ask a real life friend who seems to have pleasant sons. It's no hard surely?

JHound · 30/08/2025 14:22

InsectsMatter · 30/08/2025 13:20

Gurning Caitlin ‘I’m mad me’ has got to be the most annoying woman in the world.

The fake working class persona when she was raised by middle class parents is p’ly insufferable. A middle class bohemian upbringing and liking salad cream does not mean you are working class.

Why do you think she is lying about her working class background.

SummerDaysAreTheBest · 30/08/2025 14:26

Why isn’t she telling the Dads of boys?

SummerDaysAreTheBest · 30/08/2025 14:26

InsectsMatter · 30/08/2025 13:20

Gurning Caitlin ‘I’m mad me’ has got to be the most annoying woman in the world.

The fake working class persona when she was raised by middle class parents is p’ly insufferable. A middle class bohemian upbringing and liking salad cream does not mean you are working class.

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