Mum of girls (Caitlin Moran) telling us mums of boys how to speak to our sons

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Thanks 🤔

Me too. 2 boys one girl

Caitlin Moran has made a career from writing about being a woman, while pretending not to know that men aren't women. She's made a career as a writer, without any education or qualifications. Holding forth on stuff she knows little to nothing about is basically what she does.

They aren't different species, but it would be disingenuous to pretend they don't come with different challenges. Many more teenage boys than girls will end up as rapists, abusers and (a very few) murderers.

Indeed

so following that line of thought, it seems an odd choice of mumsnet to employ the services of the mother of daughters and no son to advise us how we should speak to “our teen sons”

Agree with you OP. I have boys and girls. The whole ‘girl mum’ thing is an annoying reductive stereotype I hate to be true, but sadly I have met some women who genuinely embody the ‘girl mum’ vibe and are openly horrified to learn I’ve been cursed by having sons. People have said some crazy shit to me about having boys. I don’t need advice from someone like that.
As it goes, my girl is the trickiest so far actually!

Ok so not the same as Caitlin Moran then? Which is the OP's point.

Moran, who cowardly absented herself from the trans debates because she wasn't qualified to speak, has advice to mothers of boys based on...watching Adolescence?

Presumably she feels she has a vested interest in how boy parents are parenting their future men? 🤷‍♀️

Presumably also based on fearing for her girls' futures?

Yup

i reckon she’d be a little 🤔in our shoes
but given she’s been paid for it, and self promotion , i don’t suppose she spent too much time navel gazing about it

I've just read it. Tbf she clearly says at the start that the tips are from parenting expert and psychiatrists etc who she got advice from when researching her book.

What banner? I never look at the MN homepage, I use the app for Talk only

So talk to your girls, as I will mine

have you read it? It’s utterly banal trite anyway

I have a son AND he hasn’t killed anyone (as far as I know). Can mumsnet pay me £££ to share some advice too?

Oh it gets better

the banner say she will tell us “how to talk AND RAISE” our teen sons😂

I like Caitlin Moran. I think she is thoughtful and funny. I am not sure that the fact she does not have boys is that relevant TBH. She does produce some very good ideas. I have read her books on how to be a girl. having worked in the media for 30 plus years she will know more than most about toxic masculinity.

It is banal, I agree. What do we say to our girls to stop them being murdered by incels? Is there a magic word?

I’d be more open to that than this!

I think it’s daft to make such a distinction between Mums of girls and Mums of boys. Both in terms of the advice given and the giver. Yes there will be some distinct issues but we also have to remember all kids are different.

No wonder there are so many incels and misogynists among teenage boys when their mothers are so defensive and unwilling to hear what mothers of girls are saying. Every future lazy father, abusive husband and male sex offender is currently being raised in homes all over the UK.

In the week after Adolescence scared the bejesus out of every parent in the world,

A snippet from her article...

I'm a parent, have been for 36 years and it didn't scare the bejesus out of me...
mainly as I haven't watched it.

I took very little parenting advice from people I knew let alone strangers,

Of those I did know that offered it had a majority of them spent as much time taking their own advice and minded their kids instead of trying to interfere with mine they'd have spotted the signs that it was indeed themselves that needed to heed their own advice.

Sweet Jesus!

i find it “odd” to employ the services of a mother of no sons to tell us mumsnetters how to speak to “and raise!!” Our sons

you don’t think that mumsnet could have chosen someone with a touch more… I don’t know, experience?

I used to love her, her insights were grounded in experience and I love the fact she was a working class girl from the midlands. Now she’s just another rich London lovie who probably has no idea how us plebs live anymore.

Was so disappointed that she refused to weigh in on how trans ideology impacts women. She just wants to be accepted by the liberal elite.

What a vicious and hyperbolic post this was

It annoyed me too OP, but more for the fact she hasn't watched Adolescence, never too advice from others and is not qualified to give any advice at all