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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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hiddensuffering · 01/04/2025 08:51

LemonPeonies · 01/04/2025 08:37

I'm not being horrible but it sounds like he's grown up witnessing your dad abuse your mum so has followed that path, learned behavior. He sees there are no consequences. Its a bit late now, you need to discipline children from a young age. All she can do now is kick him out, or if she's still too down trodden you or someone else do it. He may eventually learn respect and consequences.

My dad left when I was 7 so he was about 2. Not that he couldn’t have been affected by it but he didn’t grow up witnessing it for years etc

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ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 09:11

Probably the worst aspect of abuse/coercion is the brainwashing and conditioning. Sometimes that can be a 'boiling frog' pattern of gradual escalation, sometimes just fear and sustained stress. Usually there is gaslighting and undermining, and as you've noted, isolation.

So yes, it can be very, very hard for a victim to understand that they're being abused. It may take years to fully understand and recover.

And of course if its your child there is unconditional love mixed into all that, too.

Your mum's response to you yesterday did at least indicate she was able to consider the possibility that the relationship is not healthy. As I said, it's a start. She needs to decide to value and look after herself, first of all.

WhereIsMyJumper · 01/04/2025 09:22

You’ve had lots of good advice OP, I just wanted to post in support. This is one of the most harrowing things I have read on here. The picture of those texts made my skin crawl. I hope your mom can escape from him!

LemonPeonies · 01/04/2025 09:24

hiddensuffering · 01/04/2025 08:51

My dad left when I was 7 so he was about 2. Not that he couldn’t have been affected by it but he didn’t grow up witnessing it for years etc

Ok I stand corrected then. Sounds more like as your mum is so used to being treated like that she's inadvertently allowing it. I'd call the police for her any time you know something has happened.

Cucy · 01/04/2025 10:12

The trouble is, like any abusive relationship, the more you say how bad he is, the more she’s going to jump to his defence and actually be much less likely to do anything about it.

I think there has been fantastic advice on here but I would also speak to the actual police and charities and explain what you have on here - that she defends him and doesn’t see how bad it is.
I would also look at ND charities.

He is her son and any time you speak negatively about him, she is going to blame herself for his actions and think it’s her responsibility to sort it out.

The parent/child abuse is way more complex and harder to break than spousal abuse.

I would actually stop being too negative about him, else she might stop telling you things.
Tell her that it’s not acceptable but not too much (easier said than done).

My brother is not abusive but he takes the piss by spending all of his money after payday and then being broke (he’s adhd), so has to borrow money off my mum. But heaven forbid if you mention it to my mum because in her eyes he can’t do anything wrong and if you say anything she shuts right down.

I don’t directly say anything anymore but I’ll say things like I’m worried about how he’s going to cope when you die if he doesn’t learn to budget now.

I think parent/child abuse needs to be spoken about much more and then people like your mum will be more likely to recognise it and feel less shame around it by blaming themselves.

Thank you for starting this thread, as even on here where abuse is discussed a lot, there are posters who don’t believe it or are shocked by it.

I’m sorry your mum (and you) are going through this.

Delphiniumandlupins · 01/04/2025 11:06

Why does she believe he will change when his current behaviour gets him everything he wants? Every time she capitulates he loses even more respect for her, which (in his mind) justifies his abuse.

Have you asked her why she is daily doing things she doesn't want to? Will she admit she's scared of him? Will she admit that is not natural? If she is only afraid that he will not go to college or eat his dinner then so what. At the very least she knows he will get angry, shout and swear, punch holes in walls - a bit scary but not life-threatening. But she actually fears much worse, as do you and most of us reading this. I don't know how you can make her face up to this.

Vroomfondleswaistcoat · 01/04/2025 11:12

Can you ask her what she imagines happening when she dies? Presumably she's a good few years older than her son - how is he going to exist when she's gone? Does your mum imagine that he'll find another woman who will cater to him like she does? If so, how? Or is she assuming that YOU will take over?

Can you not try to frame it that he HAS to become more independent, because smashing up the house when she's in hospital won't do him any good at all if she doesn't come home?

lemondropsandchimneytops · 01/04/2025 13:03

This is awful, your poor mum. You must be so worried about her.

I've only read your replies OP and a few other posts but I just want to say, tread carefully. It sounds like you do that already but if you report this to the police, your mum might cut you off. She's so controlled by your brother but she needs to be in a place to really accept help.

Obviously I say this without knowing all the details - the police would likely need your Mum's cooperation to have enough evidence to charge your brother so any report by you would probably inflame the situation without having any real consequences for your brother.

This situation won't be covered by domestic abuse legislation but domestic abuse charities would absolutely be able to advise you on other ways you can help.

Absolutely horrendous way of life for your mum and I hope she accepts help soon.

SlightlyJaded · 01/04/2025 14:35

This is one of the most upsetting threads I have ever read. Your poor mum. I fucking hate the toxicity of TateThink .

I wonder if any of theses stories might resonate? Might it help her understand how serious her situation is if she sees that she is not alone - but that her abuse is actually worse than many of these stories...

https://theconversation.com/abused-by-our-grown-up-children-mothers-open-up-about-this-little-understood-form-of-domestic-violence-170735

Abused by our grown-up children: mothers open up about this little-understood form of domestic violence

Filial abuse remains a largely hidden issue with no statistics to determine how prevalent it is.

https://theconversation.com/abused-by-our-grown-up-children-mothers-open-up-about-this-little-understood-form-of-domestic-violence-170735

lifesrichpageant · 01/04/2025 17:45

This sounds like coercive control, which is technically illegal, no? I personally would call the social workers and police. This is appalling and beyond anything resembling "personal family issues". Unfortunately your mother sounds totally incapable of setting boundaries even if she tried. This has gone too far. How f*cking awful.

rockchic65 · 01/04/2025 17:46

I'd kick him out that's really sad how he treats his own mother he's a bully and toxic

YourBlueSwan · 01/04/2025 17:56

You mentioned he is in college. Call the safeguarding lead and tell them everything you’ve posted here. They will be able to intervene or offer mum support. Schools are increasingly aware of incel ideologies and helping to stamp them out. They may call social services but this might be the wake up call he needs.
i would say call the police but I’m guessing she might be too afraid to. Ideally she should do this then go and stay with a family member. Is his father on the scene or aware of his behaviour? Might be worth a male member of the family he respects talking to him too. You mentioned he has online friends he could possibly be getting encouraged to behave the way he has been by these people too.

4kids1dog1hubby · 01/04/2025 17:56

My mum and sister are like this, only if my mums says no to anything my sister threatens to put her child up for adoption! No real advice, you're not alone, it devastating to watch and honestly I've had to distance myself from the whole family because I don't want my own children, watching and being influenced by my sisters behaviour!

JungAtHeart · 01/04/2025 17:58

Your poor Mum 😞 Maybe suggest she attends some Coda meetings online for support https://coda.org/ sadly she’s the only person who can change the situation.

CoDA.org

Recovery program for codependence. Find a local or online meeting. If you desire healthy & loving relationships CoDA can help.

https://coda.org

JournalistEmily · 01/04/2025 17:59

This is a police matter. Although I’m not hopeful they can do anything without her cooperation. Your brother is a disgusting, ill-mannered, mentally unwell pig.

JJMama · 01/04/2025 18:00

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

He beats his mother up and is generally vile, he’s already failed at the basics. This will never get any better if she enables his behaviour, which I presume she already has to get to this point.

He’s an adult now. She should call the police on him, or you should if she really won’t.

MustWeDoThis · 01/04/2025 18:02

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

There is something you can do - Your Mum is vulnerable. Call the police and make a safeguarding referral online to adult welfare services. They will have your brother removed from the house, jailed, and he will be given a restraining order. Press charges for the abuse he has also given you.

Not doing anything makes you complicit and an enabler. There is nothing stopping you from calling the police. What are you waiting for? For your brother to Murder your Mother, or for your mother to harm herself?

Jumpers4goalposts · 01/04/2025 18:03

OP I think to be honest you are both enabling his behaviour. Your mother for obvious reasons but you are too, why aren’t you calling the police and reporting his behaviour it doesn’t have to be your mother doing it. You have the evidence.

Washingupdone · 01/04/2025 18:03

Does she work or is she tied to the area for one reason or another? Whose name is on the paper dealing with the home?
If she rents maybe the landlord could find her another place out of the area.

Iamtired123 · 01/04/2025 18:06

I don't know if anyone's already said this but, call social services !

stucky · 01/04/2025 18:07

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It's abuse. Physical, emotional, psychological. It's been happening for years, she's hardly allowing it. That's victim blaming.

BunnyVV · 01/04/2025 18:08

This is trauma bonding and emotional abuse. Your mum only knows this behaviour because of living with your dad. (And perhaps one of her parents emotionally abused her too). Her nervous system is addicted to this kind of atmosphere and as a result she can’t escape it. She doesn’t know how to even though she knows it’s bad for her. She doesn’t know what normal is.

i am so sorry to hear what she is going through. Unless she is very strong in herself she will not be able to set the boundaries she needs to set. It sounds like the behaviour is engrained and her reactions to it are ingrained.
my auntie has a similar situation with her son but not as severe as your mum.
i wish you well and I wish her well but it would take years of counselling to even help her make a start on how to solve this.

YoNoHeSido77 · 01/04/2025 18:09

you need to get as much evidence as you can. Then contact social services safeguarding and ask for advice. She’s clearly vulnerable and he’s abusing her. You can only keep contacting people to help.

Crazyworldmum · 01/04/2025 18:10

People no longer need to do a formal complaint for the police to be involved . You mention financial and physical abuse and you can report this yourself . At least the police will have a record of the complaint , because I suspect your biggest fear is what probably will happen eventually , it will become more and more violent .
Doe shout brother have any undiagnosed issues too or he is simple a product of bad parenting / abusive father ?

sellotapestucktomyarse · 01/04/2025 18:10

PotteringAlonggotkickedoutandhadtoreregister · 31/03/2025 20:00

Call the police.
kick him out.
change the locks.
call the police again for the inevitable fall out.
let him take the consequences.

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