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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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Tbrh · 31/03/2025 23:09

I think you need to have a serious talk to your mum about what she is doing to her son. If she wants what's best for him she needs to kick him out.

IVFmumoftwo · 31/03/2025 23:11

Vileperson · 31/03/2025 23:05

If that were my brother( I'm assuming younger?) I would go round and literally punch him in the balls and say if he ever even looks at my mum the wrong way again I will personally come round and remove him from the house and make sure everyone knows what a pathetic little man he is abusing his own mother. Don't think everyone pandering to him is doing anyone any good here!

Not a good idea.

PopeJoan2 · 31/03/2025 23:35

He will end up killing her if she doesn’t make him leave. Poor woman.

RareAuldTimes · 31/03/2025 23:39

Branster · 31/03/2025 22:41

Surely you'd worry for your daughters coming across a man like this?

If this is actually true OP, you need to contact the police and ask for support lines for your mother. Of organisations helping women living with domestic abuse.
This is extremely serious and dangerous.
Statistically, she could be killed by her own son. You must step in and help her.
Do you have any male relatives/friends you could ask to help with a few stern words and kick him out of the house.
This man will cause unbelievable harm to women if he is not stopped. This is his last chance (based on age) to get help and remedy his attitude and he needs professional intervention. He needs direction and he needs to fail big time in order to build himself up. Otherwise he will end up in prison very soon due to an outburst of violence.
Also, he clearly has far too much time on his hands, he needs a physical job to keep him busy, cure this stupid laziness of his, tire him out and bring him the funds for all this shopping he wants.
The way you describe him OP, I can't imagine anyone wanting to spend time with him. Apart from other young men with similar attitudes.

Oh I do worry!

Currently familiarising myself with the dark web in case anyone like that needs seeing off in future (jk).

Ugh, Mumsnet is turning me into a misandrist. I can literally count on 3 fingers the number of men in my life I can stand. And two of those are not straight.

RareAuldTimes · 31/03/2025 23:43

XelaM · 31/03/2025 22:54

I have a brother who is absolutely lovely to my mum (and dad) and no boys/men in my family have ever behaved that way to their mothers or any women in their lives.

If this is real, he is either mentally ill or horribly brought up.

I’m truly glad to hear that as the stuff I read on here daily makes me despair.

I haven’t RTFT but perhaps there is no father on the scene? A lot of boys/men brought up without dads seem to harbour a lot of rage towards their mothers (the only ones who ironically DID show up for them!). I know this to be a theme with incels/manosphere types. They ought to take up some of their indignation with their feckless sperm donors.

Namechange4this1only · 31/03/2025 23:45

I have had to name change for this, as it triggers so much in me and I want to leave this time of my life behind for me and my mum.

This was my brother and my mum, but he is a 46 year old man. He also has hoarding OCD and absolutely trashed my mums house. He was also verbally abusive and gambled. He made her live in absolute squalor. My mum is 77. We, the extended family could not visit because of the state of the place. My mum lost out on seeing her great grandchildren because of him. I managed to get him out a couple of times but he would always came back. He got her into so much debt also, and in his crazy mind he claimed he was looking after her. Wow! I could go on.

This last time he was in situ, I realised I had to
move her to get her away from him, which was I nightmare. She lives in social housing. I had to contact everyone, the council, the citizens advice bureau, her local MP, the DWP her doctors,
anyone I could think of. Email after email, telephone call after telephone call. Repeating my self time after time. She had just had a hip operation. He was killing her. It was really hard and because of the constant knock backs I got, I think I had elements of PTSD. And then I found out he had just moved in again and had applied for attendance allowance for her. I went mad!

My persistence paid off. I did not give up, you can’t! Eventually the council accepted the seriousness of the situation and moved her. It took over a year! He doesn’t know where she lives and she has promised me she will not tell him because I have told her I will call the police if I hear he has visited. She says to me “….i don’t know what you did but you really scared him this time”.

The day I moved her into her new home, she lost five years. I called her yesterday, Mother’s Day, she is so happy!

I saw my brother last year at a family wedding and he apologised. I was gracious. He can keep his apologies. Good riddance!

BobbyBiscuits · 31/03/2025 23:46

He's disgusting and deserves prison for abusing her like that. Tell her you won't stand for it. You're calling the police and changing the locks and she can stay with you for a bit. He can go to the council as she'll write a letter making him homeless. If she won't then you should.
If I was a man I'd be tempted to smash his head in.

Notherereally1 · 31/03/2025 23:51

I read this the whole way to the end and was hoping it was a movie plot. Your poor mum. I really hope she finds the strength to leave this abusive situation.

Gremlins101 · 31/03/2025 23:57

I'm so sorry you are having to deal wih this OP. I've no wisdom to add, but I hope your mum is able to get herself out of this situation with this awful incel. He sounds extremely dangerous.

JohnSt1 · 01/04/2025 00:02

I have no doubt this is true, and that there are many cases like it.

Andrew Tate, Conor McGregor etc. are social cancer.

ilovesushi · 01/04/2025 00:05

This is appalling. What a horrific situation. I hope your mum can break free of him. Keep yourself and your child(ren) safe and far away from this man.

Ohnobackagain · 01/04/2025 00:10

@hiddensuffering take a look at how CPS defines coercive control

www.cps.gov.uk/legal-guidance/controlling-or-coercive-behaviour-intimate-or-family-relationship

JHound · 01/04/2025 00:11

XelaM · 31/03/2025 22:54

I have a brother who is absolutely lovely to my mum (and dad) and no boys/men in my family have ever behaved that way to their mothers or any women in their lives.

If this is real, he is either mentally ill or horribly brought up.

Yikes.

Namechsnging · 01/04/2025 01:11

I'm sorry you're going through this OP.

For those who don't believe, child to parent abuse is more common than people think.

Unfortunately my mother experienced it from my sister. Not in the exact way how your mother is experiencing OP, but she isolated my mother from me, she isolated her from certain friends of my mother's that my sister didn't like. My mother was financially abused by my sister and it got worse when my mother had cancer. The only people who were in my mother's life were friends and family who were brain washed by my sister. My sisters friends became my mother's friends too because they were also brain washed. My sister controlled when my mother saw me and her friends. And would listen into conversations that my mother had with anybody. My sister also made sure my mother never had partners (my parents split when we were young). When she did have partners my sister would do all she can to make my mother turn against her partner. My mother passed from cancer and unfortunately our relationship never recovered because of my sister.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 06:53

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 22:18

This is her response to me sharing the links with her.

I will and if he doesn’t improve his b behaviour I will defo do something about it. Please don’t worry xxx

That's a start, OP.

I don't know whether child to parent abuse is the same as partner abuse. I imagine the dynamics may be a bit different but share aspects like coercion etc. Assuming the general pattern is similar, please note:

It can take many efforts to leave an abuser, and leaving is the most dangerous time as an abuser often escalates then.

If your mother recognises this is abusive and that she is in danger, she will probably need to make a plan to leave. She will probably need help to do so. Police, social work, women's aid, can help.

Wishing you and your mum all the best. I hope you find a way through.

hiddensuffering · 01/04/2025 08:14

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 06:53

That's a start, OP.

I don't know whether child to parent abuse is the same as partner abuse. I imagine the dynamics may be a bit different but share aspects like coercion etc. Assuming the general pattern is similar, please note:

It can take many efforts to leave an abuser, and leaving is the most dangerous time as an abuser often escalates then.

If your mother recognises this is abusive and that she is in danger, she will probably need to make a plan to leave. She will probably need help to do so. Police, social work, women's aid, can help.

Wishing you and your mum all the best. I hope you find a way through.

Thank you. She acknowledges that it’s abusive but doesn’t believe she’s in danger or that he’s dangerous at all.

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whathaveiforgotten · 01/04/2025 08:33

Ask your mum whether if a partner of yours was behaving in exactly the same way towards you, she would consider him to be a danger to you or not.

If she would consider him a danger to you, ask her why it’s different just because he’s a son and not a partner.

Might get her thinking about it differently imagining someone treating you this way.

wordywitch · 01/04/2025 08:35

I’m so sorry your mum is going through this and understand that she is an abused, co-dependent woman and therefore feels incapable of standing up for herself, but perhaps she needs a more direct challenge to wake her up.

Ask her how she will feel when he abuses, threatens, hurts or kills another woman, because he almost certainly will if she refuses to admit that he is a violent man who needs urgent help. Putting concerns for her own safety aside (which is unwise), does she want some other woman to bear the brunt of his misogynistic rage because she won’t address it? How will she feel having to visit him in prison, having that on her conscience? Being a good mother means getting him the help he needs and keeping him and the rest of society safe, not placating an abuser so that he keeps fuelling his rage.

LemonPeonies · 01/04/2025 08:37

I'm not being horrible but it sounds like he's grown up witnessing your dad abuse your mum so has followed that path, learned behavior. He sees there are no consequences. Its a bit late now, you need to discipline children from a young age. All she can do now is kick him out, or if she's still too down trodden you or someone else do it. He may eventually learn respect and consequences.

BitOutOfPractice · 01/04/2025 08:40

Perhaps show her this news story that I was just reading before I read this: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g25dlwngjo

your poor mom. You must be frantic with worry.

A woman with dyed black hair smiling at the camera

Essex family pay tribute paid to 'beautiful' mum taken too soon

Essex Police say its investigations are still ongoing into the incident.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g25dlwngjo

hiddensuffering · 01/04/2025 08:42

whathaveiforgotten · 01/04/2025 08:33

Ask your mum whether if a partner of yours was behaving in exactly the same way towards you, she would consider him to be a danger to you or not.

If she would consider him a danger to you, ask her why it’s different just because he’s a son and not a partner.

Might get her thinking about it differently imagining someone treating you this way.

I’ve tried that and she told me to stop being ridiculous and he’d never kill her etc. She doesn’t believe he’s capable of such violence despite being abused by him for years.

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thepariscrimefiles · 01/04/2025 08:42

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:39

I’ve shown her some of these comments. Her reply “please stop posting private stuff”

I actually can’t 😢

Well in that case, hard as it is, you need to just leave her to it. She has always favoured your abusive brother and she allowed him to abuse you to the point that you had to move into a hostel as a teenager. She has really let you down. His behaviour towards you when you were pregnant is absolutely disgusting and very frightening and your mum still didn't step in and do anything.

You have a child to support and care for and if your mum won't accept help and continues putting your brother first, there is nothing you can do.

hiddensuffering · 01/04/2025 08:46

wordywitch · 01/04/2025 08:35

I’m so sorry your mum is going through this and understand that she is an abused, co-dependent woman and therefore feels incapable of standing up for herself, but perhaps she needs a more direct challenge to wake her up.

Ask her how she will feel when he abuses, threatens, hurts or kills another woman, because he almost certainly will if she refuses to admit that he is a violent man who needs urgent help. Putting concerns for her own safety aside (which is unwise), does she want some other woman to bear the brunt of his misogynistic rage because she won’t address it? How will she feel having to visit him in prison, having that on her conscience? Being a good mother means getting him the help he needs and keeping him and the rest of society safe, not placating an abuser so that he keeps fuelling his rage.

Completely agree. I think she’s deluded about the whole situation and has had to do that in order to survive sadly. She believes he’ll just change and stop one day. She doesn’t believe he’d be violent to anyone or end up in prison. She’s spent years trivialising and minimising this abuse. I think she’s so entwined in it that I fear she’ll never see the light

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