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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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StmMary · 01/04/2025 18:10

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

When did this behaviour first start.?
I've heard about this that he's listening and taking in what's been said about men and women.
Was he spoilt as a kid and got his own way.
Does he treat all females the same.?
Does his friends do the save thing.?
No women would put up with this at all.
I can't believe how weak your mam is.
Why she's let him get away with it right at the start.
He needs a right good talking to.
This isn't right at all.
Get her the him the help they both need.
I'd tell the college he's at and get them involved.
God help us if every man was like That.

catlover123456789 · 01/04/2025 18:11

Call the police. It doesn't matter if its a partner or a son, its domestic abuse.

user1471538283 · 01/04/2025 18:15

I would be blunt with her. He will end up killing her either violently or through stress. She might lose her job and then what? She wants a relationship with her DGC and that won't happen if she dies or collapses. If she were to collapse he would be off.

Her life is important.

SlightlyJaded · 01/04/2025 18:15

OP - this is so so dangerous.

I KNOW you shouldn't have to deal with this, but I think you need to be more pro-active. You say that your mum's favourite things is seeing her grandchild (your DC?) If this is correct, I am afraid I would threaten to stop all contact unless she takes action against your brother. I would explain that his influence on her is modelling a dangerous and abusive relationship and you will not expose young DC to either of them whilst this toxicity continues. I understand you wouldn't ever really cut her off, but she needs a reason to deal with this now rather than this continued passivity.

It's really common in relationships where DV includes a lot of emotional abuse (as this one does) for the victim to become as passive as your mum. They are drained of everything: energy, belief, self-worth, rational thinking - it's all been sucked out of them. You HAVE to advocate for her and I think the only thing that will kick her into gear is blackmail involving access to her grandchild.

And then you stage some sort of intervention.

I would re-involve your father.
I would involve any male family members/friends you can. The bigger the better
And I would involve the police and social services.

Essentially your brother is a bully - and these new Tate-esque misogynistic bullies are potentially more dangerous than previous breeds, but they are still bullies. And the problem with bullies is that they will keep going until they are challenged. Noone is challenging your brother, and on that basis, it will NEVER stop. Your mum won't challenge him until she is cornered, so corner her, and then you can fight for her.

JustAnotherManicMomday · 01/04/2025 18:17

Call the police. It's that, carry on as is or wait until he kills her.

Nanny0gg · 01/04/2025 18:19

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

Did you call the police when he attacked you?

That's what needs to happen

AIBU5 · 01/04/2025 18:22

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

Call the police. It's only going to get worse

Sportacus17 · 01/04/2025 18:23

Call the police

mamabelli · 01/04/2025 18:23

Unfortunately I have been where your mum is and there is no other way out of it than to call the police every single time. This will never get better for her if she keeps doing everything for him. Is his dad in the picture? Seriously, she’ll end up having a breakdown. I know he’s her son but he has absolutely no right to abuse her in any way.

pebbles8811 · 01/04/2025 18:25

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Believe it or not this stuff actually happens and just like OP it’s happening to my mum but it’s not her son it’s her partner’s son and she just puts up with it. I’ve begged her to leave, offered her a place to stay the lot but unlike ops mum (not checked all her posts) my mum has evidence as he has got physical more than once. No I haven’t called the police as she doesn’t want to and last time my aunt did on my mums behalf she called the police the next day to say her sister was being hysterical due to having had a few drinks, and they said ok and nothing was done. He’s stopped being physically abusive but he’s an emotionally and coercively abusive little cunt and what I’d give to cunt punt the wee prick

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pipthomson · 01/04/2025 18:27

your mum is a victim of coercive control
this is a crime
you should alert Social work services (you can do this anonymously) make sure you have a clear picture of what’s happening so you can be precise and restrained when you are talking to them You are not being disloyal
such people are very manipulative and can keep shining the light away from their own actions
DSWmhave a page where you can “ask for help for an adult’ I would also recommend contacting Women’s Aid as they can help

Notafanofheat · 01/04/2025 18:27

I would flip it - she doesn’t care about herself, she can’t- it’s been too long of the unthinkable. The protecting other women argument won’t work either.
I am not for a minute saying he is the victim here but I reckon there’s at least a chance this argument will get through to her.
I would tell her - she has to make it stop for him. She needs to make him get help because what happens when she dies and he’s alone and incapable of living on his own or holding down a job (cause he’s not). Tell her no partner will want him and he’ll end up lonely and alone. She wanted help for him when he was a child (and she would’ve) and it fell on deaf ears- now, he can get help even if that is in prison. If he doesn’t want to she needs to kick him out and make him for his own good - cause the life they’re living is not sustainable.

kickasssinglemum · 01/04/2025 18:28

I had a family member behave exactly how you describe from the age of 15 onwards and he treated his mum the exact same way. He was eventually kicked out of the house at 19 and went to uni in a different city. He was sectioned at 21. He was then diagnosed with bipolar and schizophrenia. So there may be deeper issues to your brothers awful behaviour.

AngryLikeHades · 01/04/2025 18:31

Sorry if it's been mentioned before, but Women's Aid is fantastic.
They really helped me and listened and never questioned my account of things when I reported life long abuse within my family.
They also helped me into a refuge when the council were not pro-active enough.
I hope she gets the help she needs xxxx

Fashionlover123 · 01/04/2025 18:32

Reading this has made me sooo sad for you both. Your poor mum, and poor you having to watch all of this. A lot of comments saying ‘just tell her this’ ‘black mail her’ ‘just kick him out’ I would really struggle with doing those things if it was me. Your mum is obviously very scared & intimidated. She is at risk of increasing violence if she tries to kick him out. Blackmailing her just isolates her even more. Ultimately he needs to leave but how you go about that in a safe way is difficult.
Could you speak to her on her own & persuade her to stay with you? She could even go to a refuge, if you can help her to do this safely. I know it’s her house and he should leave but it’s not a safe place. Once she’s out she can seek legal advice & police support in removing him from the property. Sending you lots of love, I’m so sorry. Xx

Khayker · 01/04/2025 18:33

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

Everything he's doing is coersive control. It's illegal and will only escalate and will not end well for your mum or possiblyfor you. You have written this as if its annoying for you both, probably because you are used to such behaviour. Your brother's behaviour is not acceptable and by engaging in such activity, he's committing a crime. Do you want any partner or children he has to have their lives ruined by this because you and your mum are giving him a green light to carry on with his controlling ways? He's 18, he's a criminal due to the way he acts/thinks and needs to learn there are consequences to such behaviour. Sorry to be so blunt but you or your mum need to act fast. Last person I dealt with exhibiting this type of behaviour was put in hospital by her son.

hcee19 · 01/04/2025 18:36

This is abuse, how on earth have you let it get this bad before doing anything about it..
If he is like this now, he is only going to get worse. He is 18, an adult. Ring the police and insist your mother presses charges for domestic, emotional and elder abuse. How disgusting to treat his mother like that.

willowbrookmanor · 01/04/2025 18:37

I don’t generally believe in violence and I do avoid conflict and confrontation however, if this was my brother I’d want to batter him. WTAF.

asrl78 · 01/04/2025 18:38

wrongthinker · 31/03/2025 20:11

Police. Get him out. Change the locks.

He'll end up killing her.

The problem with calling the police is the mother would have to make a statement for an arrest and charge to be brought, and it sounds like the mother will not do this. To be honest I can imagine it is heartbreaking to watch someone you love go through this seemingly by their own approval, and it is a very rare example of where if the mother snapped one day and murdered him, I would stand by her.

ArabellaScott · 01/04/2025 18:38

I am afraid I would threaten to stop all contact unless she takes action against your brother.

Trying to deal with coercive control by manipulating and threatening the victim is wrong.

OP may well want to take steps to ensure her child (and she) are safe from her brother, but deliberately replicating the abusive dynamic will also risk further damaging her already fragile sense of agency. It may also lead her to lose what sounds like her single source of support (OP).

ArtTheClown · 01/04/2025 18:39

As hard as this is to hear, and contemplate, at the moment she is choosing him, and choosing to remain in the situation. She is downplaying and minimising. She chose him over you before.
The only way she's getting free of this is when she's ready to admit how bad it is, and ready to detach herself from him. She's not there yet.

PalmTreeAngel · 01/04/2025 18:39

Your mum needs specialist support from a domestic abuse charity/organisation.

It’s not as simple - nor easy - as “kicking him out.” This is a very serious case of family / elder abuse and I wouldn’t even really know where your mum would begin. She’s probably caught up with complex feelings of guilt and responsibility towards her son as well. If she’s experienced long standing abuse, she probably doesn’t have the awareness, or skills to help herself.

she needs ongoing support from an IDVA - independent domestic violence advisor. Can she contact an organisation like Refuge or Women’s Aid?

OP - I’d recommend you call as well on her behalf but also for yourself.

Sorry you’re going through this.

Buffs · 01/04/2025 18:39

The only thing you can realistically do in this situation is look after yourself. It must be terribly upsetting for you to witness but it is not your responsibility and there is likely little you can do to change this unhealthy dynamic. Say your bit, make sure your mum knows you will always be there for her and then remove yourself to a position where it’s not a constant source of pain for you.

YoNoHeSido77 · 01/04/2025 18:44

I was abused by my son, not to this degree but it was bad and if I’d let it continue it probably would have.

i even threw my husband out because my son told me it was him or my husband. I chose my son. (My husband was and is amazing. My son didn’t like being asked to wash the dishes and clean his room)

i know how your mum feels.

I eventually had to get my son removed as he was hurting his brother, me I could live with, my youngest son, not so much.

he was taken into care. He was 15.

I stayed in his life and was still there but I set boundaries.

we now have a great relationship and he’s a lovely person and a brilliant dad. But if I’d let it continue I fully believe that his temper would have killed one of us.