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My mum’s in an abusive relationship - with her own son

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hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

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Poppingmad123 · 01/04/2025 18:50

Would it be possible to put some discreet cameras in the home, perhaps without even letting your mum know? It may be illegal but it feels essential in this situation as basically her life is at risk. Why can she not see that? No one knows what really goes on behind closed doors so there is probably a lot more to it than what she actually tells you.

Living in constant fear is not living at all. She needs to wake up and take steps to protect herself. If she cannot think straight, with all that is happening, then just get out and go to a women’s refuge. Inform work what is happening and that some urgent leave is needed. Leave current phone behind so he cannot contact her and get new phone with new number.

Yellowpens · 01/04/2025 18:51

Been there in very similar circumstances.

Many posters here show incredible ignorance about how an abusive relationship develops. When it’s your own son it’s a different ballgame frustrated by exceptionally confusing feelings and second-guessing oneself as a mother.

Breaking point for me was when my son was screaming at full pitch whilst nose to nose with me. I could see and feel how much he wanted to hurt me. My legs were shaking and my ears were ringing but I could not let him see me weak. I stood there and did not flinch whilst he behaved like that. I consider myself pretty tough but was confused by the whole thing. What did I do? How had I caused this? How could I make it better? Why was this happening? Why was he so angry with me? It became clear to me that he had no respect for women.

After he left the room I called the police and had him escorted out of the property. Even then he told them what a nasty bitch I was and I was the problem. I Didn’t see him for a very long time after that.

A few years on things are better. He is much more respectful towards me but we are not close at all and I’m ok with that.

I feel for your mum because unless somebody has been in that position they cannot possibly fathom how difficult it is to cope with an abusive situation mentally, much less coming from your own child.

To cope, we find ways of surviving
that create minimal problems for the family until that lightbulb moment. That moment of realisation when you take action is the most dangerous for a person in an abusive situation. My moment arrived when I felt in real danger in a way I’ve not felt before. It’s a head-fuck to think that the baby I raised, nurtured and loved like my other children had grown into a young man who wanted to harm me in such a devastating way. I took a long time to accept that but, even now, it’s still painful.

I didn’t listen to my daughter’s pleas to kick him out despite her telling me what was going on from her perspective.

There is nothing to stop you from calling the police if you witness anything abusive. Having an external professional explain to your mum that his behaviour is unacceptable may help.

I’m really sorry you’re both dealing with this but your mum is not alone in this situation - it’s far more common than people realise.

Keep communication open with her and the best advice I can give you is to call the National Domestic Abuse Hotline for support.

2JFDIYOLO · 01/04/2025 18:52

Go back to the police.

Report that a physically and emotionally vulnerable woman is being financially, physically and emotionally abused by her own son, who has been radicalised by mysoginists.

You are afraid for mum's safety and believe she is immediately danger of harm and maybe murder by an abusive coercive controller.

Do it now.

Report the same to social services.

Contact the college.

And keep reporting it everywhere.

Can you do an intervention - rally family and friends to get her out of that house?

wrongthinker · 01/04/2025 18:53

asrl78 · 01/04/2025 18:38

The problem with calling the police is the mother would have to make a statement for an arrest and charge to be brought, and it sounds like the mother will not do this. To be honest I can imagine it is heartbreaking to watch someone you love go through this seemingly by their own approval, and it is a very rare example of where if the mother snapped one day and murdered him, I would stand by her.

It's a complex situation for sure. But no less a fatally dangerous one for OP's mum.

The difficulty is how does OP best support her - also taking into consideration her own family's needs? Actually taking a step back from Mum until Mum is ready to accept help might be the safest and sanest choice.

Emily47 · 01/04/2025 18:53

My son became abusive, mainly verbally, around the age of 16 which i thought was due to him starting to smoke weed. However, last year when he turned 36, he was NHS diagnosed as having severe ADHD.
Over those 20 years he binge drank and went into horrendous rages, usually at me; I can't describe the vitriol and the violent way he would scream obsenities in my face. As well as threatening to cut me up into pieces, dig a hole, bury me then stamp on my grave, he also threatened to comit suicide by throwing himself under a train & I found him with a cord around his neck, on a chair, in my shed. I called 999 but the police said it had just been a cry for help.

I finally managed to get him to see his GP, who thankfully realised there must be a reason behind his behaviour, put him on various meds & referred him for a psychiatric assessment, which culminated in his ADHD diagnosis. At last everything fell into place, both he and I realising there was a cause for his struggles. He's stopped drinking & is awaiting being prescribed specific ADHD meds.
I fully understand the Mother/Son dynamic and how it can become skewed, distorted and abusive.
If this lad is behaving to this extreme at only age 14, I would think things will probably escalate as he gets older. He urgently needs a Mental Health assessment, which would be started through his GP. If his mother won't do it, then another relative can. His Mum may refuse to press charges against him, but if she or someone else doesn't act now, he could progress to getting himself in serious trouble.
She'll be blaming herself for her own son's behaviour, as I did, but there is support for her. She may need help to realise. Tough love...

Isinglass20 · 01/04/2025 18:54

MounjaroOnmymind

I agree with that. OPs mum is also manipulating the situation with OP to ensure she keeps being involved and that in itself is enabling the situation to continue.

Sometimes for self preservation you have to walk away. OP has done her best.

OPs mum may then realise that it is the same behaviour which enables her son and drives away her daughter

Sallyssn · 01/04/2025 18:54

Reading this post is truly horrendous. What a horrible man..PLEASE contact female abuse help organisations and email your post
I think you have to get involved in this and take control of the situation..the poor woman

has been abused for so long she probably thinks it is her fault.
I wish you and your mother some hope and help in the future.

pimplebum · 01/04/2025 18:56

There is to be no way I’d allow my mum to live like this , I would not wait for her to come to her senses , I’d have to take action
inform social services of elder abuse
inform police financial abuse

Mickeychampionwhatgoodami · 01/04/2025 18:57

He should be in prison not sitting upstairs in mummy's house.
Fucking degenerate loser!!

Heratnumber9 · 01/04/2025 18:59

I left home because of an older brother who was a psychopath. Nearly destroyed me. I used to long for other older brothers to protect me, never dared tell my father who was terrifying and violent. I realised at nine that I had to save myself-your mum needs to want to live more than she wants to save her son. She can't have both.

Laura95167 · 01/04/2025 19:01

This kinda abuse is more common than you'd think. And it's harder because as his mum she thinks it's her fault or responsibility.

I'd look into DV charities, raise your concerns and ask for advise. And keep evidence in terms of texts and your own diaries to help her, you could make police reports for anything you witness too

Wheekypig · 01/04/2025 19:02

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 21:53

For those that think it’s not true. And this is tame😢

You have a duty to safeguard your mum. Refer her for an IDVA they will both get support then. He clearly has not had a good role model in his father.
He needs help before committing a serious offense and hurting someone.
You can safeguard through the hospital, police social services or requesting an IDVA. do this now.
She will kick off and be upset initially, but after she's away from the abuse she will be grateful

Mere1 · 01/04/2025 19:04

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 19:58

Would you tolerate this from your adult son?

For years I’ve watched my mum live in an emotionally, verbally, physically, and financially abusive relationship with my 18-year-old brother.

He follows Andrew Tate’s misogynistic “red pill” incel ideology and believes women exist to serve men. My mum hides the abuse and makes excuses for him, but it’s getting worse. He’s been physically abusive—pushing, punching her, throwing objects at me when I was pregnant, and kicking holes in doors. His behavior keeps escalating.

He controls every aspect of her life and treats her like a servant. She has to cook expensive meals (which are never good enough and often have to be redone), run his baths (and re-run them when the water gets cold because he hasn’t gotten in yet), and constantly take him on shopping trips. She has to go upstairs to turn off his light even when he’s sitting right next to it. If she makes noise while he’s on the phone, she’s not allowed upstairs. Once, he smashed a plate of curry against the wall because it wasn’t “good enough.”

She has no social life because she has to cater to him 24/7. He doesn’t let her leave the house without permission, and if she does, he bombards her with calls, texts, and thumps on the walls if she doesn’t answer. She has to tell him exactly where she is, and he demands she come home when he says so. If she doesn’t comply, he punishes her—like when he trashed the house while she was in the hospital with sepsis.

He financially abuses her. He uses her bank card to buy himself luxury clothes, takeaways, and other expensive items, forcing her to spend £200 on Ozempic and over £1000 on a caravan holiday for him. She’s in debt, and he keeps getting her card blocked. Every week, she drives miles to buy designer goods for him, only for him to send her back to return them if he changes his mind.

When they go shopping, he sits in the café while she runs around getting everything on his list. If she gets something wrong, he sends her back multiple times. Once she’s finally done, she has to wait an hour for him to finish texting his online friends before he lets her pay and go home.

Her work life is suffering because of him. She’s late every day because she has to wait until he’s ready to be dropped at college—if she doesn’t, he refuses to go. She has to leave work at lunchtime to pick him up. Sometimes, he demands she come home just to fix the WiFi. When she works from home, he still controls her. She has to cook for him, bring him food, and go up to his room whenever he demands, even if she’s in meetings. She dreads being at home.

She gets no rest. He wakes her up in the middle of the night to cook for him or just to demand her attention, even though she has to work in the morning. He makes her drive him to the gym in the middle of the night, wait in the car for hours, then come home and cook his meals.

Last year, on holiday with us, she had to drive back home every night to cook for him and take him to the gym. In the end, he forced her to pay for a separate hotel room so he could come too. She had to stay with him and do whatever he said, only leaving to see us when he allowed it.

She’s exhausted, but she won’t stand up to him. She’s scared of him because he’s 6’4, physically intimidating, and the abuse gets worse when she tries to set boundaries. She jumps every time her phone rings because she knows it’s him, demanding something. She says there’s nothing she can do and believes she’ll have to work forever just to support him. She has health issues, and this is only making them worse.

AIBU to feel so angry and sad that I can’t seem to help her in any way. I want to show her responses from people who can see how abusive and unacceptable this is. What would you advise her to do?

This could be my friend writing about her brother. The abuse escalated-if you think the behaviour is bad now. The mum was imprisoned in the home and almost starved. Constantly. Sh was lying to ‘protect’ her son. Eventually she was hospitalised and the son is in prison.

Speckly · 01/04/2025 19:04

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:02

She won’t kick him out. Feels sorry for him and won’t let him fail😞

He won't fail though. She needs to tell him to leave and then when he has to do things himself, you'll find he will soon learn. Your Mum deserves a life bless her! What a horrible individual he sounds.

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Gudgollymissmolly · 01/04/2025 19:10

Why don't you hand write all of this and take it to police!

GhostHunterPlay · 01/04/2025 19:14

You need to call the police, if your mum won't. He needs to face the consequences of his actions, and she needs to stand up to him. He needs to remember that he's a guest in her house, and he needs to stop acting as though he owns the house, and your mother.
If she doesn't stand up to him, she enabling his behaviour.
She needs to find the courage and strength to kick him out, otherwise she'll become more and more ill, eventually dying, and all that will be down to his cowardly bullying, manipulative and disrespectful behaviour towards your mother.
By the way, your brother Is a failure as a human being, as is anyone who abuses their parents, so every time your brother makes any demands on her, lays a hand on her or demands that she spends her money on him, she's watching him fail.
I eventually walked away from 2 people who
were abusing me, namely my ex and my son. My ex mainly emotionally, sexually (demanding it whenever he wanted it, whether I did or not, and trying to force me to do it with other men whilst he watched. Then he wanted to do it. I flatly refused, even though he was very persistent).
My son mainly physically abused me, from the age of around 10 until I walked out when he was 17.
I suspect your mother feels that she can't do that, because she's endured this behaviour for so long that she's come to feel it's all she deserves.
Is there any way you can encourage her to meet you somewhere without letting him know? Can you help her to move in with you for a while, and help her to stop letting him control her every movement.
He also needs some serious mental health help.
I shudder to think what would happen to him when your mother passes away! ( sorry to bring this up, but I feel it has to be said).

Soberinthecity · 01/04/2025 19:16

This makes for really uncomfortable reading and I don't really have anything else to add to (some of) the already helpful comments. I'm not sure what you were hoping to get from here that you don't already know? It's very difficult for women stuck in an abuse cycle to get help if they don't even recognise they're in an abusive relationship to begin with. You say she "feels sorry for him" - in what way? What about your support network - Are there any other family members / mutual friends you can reach out to for support? I would advise contacting somewhere like Refuge and ask for advice & support there. Their number is 0808 2000 247. I really hope you and your mum can find a way out of this and away from this dangerous man.

Kellymumto2 · 01/04/2025 19:17

I suspect your mum won’t call the police, which is what she should do. Or a domestic abuse organisation such as women’s aid. Saying that, if you are aware that this is happening, especially the physical abuse, you can contact the police yourself, you could also attend a “one stop shop” in your area and explain to the organisations there who will be able to advise
you one next steps and also immediate support. Ultimately until she decides to take the stance that enough is enough only other people can help by contacting the police etc. if you wait for her to do the right thing. She might end up seriously hurt. 😢
I’m sorry you’re going through this.

RareFatball · 01/04/2025 19:20

hiddensuffering · 31/03/2025 20:12

She has no support except me as she hides the abuse from everyone. Always makes excuses for him. I find it disgusting that she’s enabling him but she’s my mum and I feel so sorry and sad for her.

She wouldn’t kick him out as he has nowhere to go and unfortunately she’s too wrapped around his finger to do anything😢

And that is exactly why you will get a knock on your door one day to say your brother has killed your mother.
That is the reality if your mum doesn't do anything about this situation.

Phelicity · 01/04/2025 19:22

This is reminding me of recent tragedies involving lonely, isolated young men committing outrages. Your brother’s behaviour is dangerous, and if he is allowed to continue along the path he’s following now it will be too late to intervene. For your sake, your mother’s and his, be brave, ignore your mother’s determination to keep all this “in the family”, and take whatever steps you can to involve outside agencies, including the police again, for help and intervention.

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canyouseemyhousefromhere · 01/04/2025 19:23

I’m so sorry that your mum is going through this. Unfortunately mums often have a deep desire to forgive their children (especially sons) for some horrendous behaviour.
Do you have a male friend/family member that can help you stage an intervention, calling the police if necessary?
Would also install a nanny camera (without your brother’s knowledge) to record all this behaviour. Your mum may react differently if she sees it playing out in front of her.
Praying that there is a safe resolution to this awful situation.

byteme1011 · 01/04/2025 19:25

I'm going to suggest you speak to women's aid to see if they can contact her and help empower her confidence. My dad has been abusing my mum for years and honestly I feel guilt I can't do more and it's heartbreaking but also note you are not responsible x I'd recommend keeping evidence etc so if she ever goes to the police she's got 2 pieces of evidence.

Kitties4eva · 01/04/2025 19:25

Oh my gosh! You should maybe get a family friend/family member to talk to your mum, or get a therapist, and if your mum won’t kick him out, try talking to him. Cannot believe this is happening, hope you get help.