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AIBU to start limiting contact with my MIL for my 3 kids?

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clrd · 30/03/2025 20:53

We have three kids—5, 3, and almost 1. My husband works very long hours and earns well, which allows me to be a SAHM (what I’d always wanted to be). Our setup works well: I handle the kids’ schedules, education, health, as well as family visits because if we only saw family when my husband was available, it would eat into our rare family time and mean the kids saw their grandparents much less. It seems to work well with everything except MIL’s visits.

The problem is, the more kids we have, the more overbearing my MIL becomes. She has an opinion on everything. Every visit, she reminds me she doesn’t like the school our eldest goes to (she knows I was the one who researched and chose it). She constantly brings up how I “didn’t breastfeed for long enough” with my youngest, jokingly guesses if I’m pregnant and regularly jokes that it’s time for me to get pregnant again to “keep up the pattern.” When I brush it off, she’ll shake her head and say things like, “Well, you don’t want to leave an awkward gap, do you?” as if our family planning is somehow her decision. She also completely undermines my parenting whenever she visits. If I say it’s bedtime, she’ll immediately counter with, “Oh, don’t be silly! Granny’s still here, they can stay up late.”

When I was pregnant with my youngest, I had horrible morning sickness. One afternoon, MIL was over while I was struggling to get through the day, barely able to keep food down. As I’d been trying to keep 2 toddlers happy all morning, I thought now that their gran is here maybe I’ll sit and relax for a minute. She looked me up and down and said, “Just because you’re pregnant doesn’t mean you can stay on the sofa all day - the kids will think it’s new baby’s fault their mum doesn’t play with them. Also put some make up on before DH gets home - men love with their eyes” all said in a tone as if she’s doing me a favour sharing her advice based on a lifetime of experience and knowledge. I was exhausted, nauseous, and barely holding it together, and I just burst into tears. Instead of apologizing, she just rolled her eyes and muttered, “Oh, it’s just hormones.”

Another time, she made a comment that actually reduced me to tears in front of my kids. The baby had been fussy all morning, I was dealing with a tantrum from my toddler, and my eldest was whining about something minor. I was completely overwhelmed. MIL just sighed dramatically and said, “Maybe if you gave them more time each individually, they wouldn’t act like this.” I just broke. For context, they have all my time. I rarely go anywhere without them and spend all day every day making sure they’re healthy, happy and being developed. Admittedly it’s mainly with all 3 (or now, 2 of them, as the oldest is at school) rather than 1 on 1. I started crying right there while my kids stared at me, and instead of offering any kindness, she just muttered, “Oh, don’t be so sensitive.”

For context, my husband is from a culture where grandparents are much more involved, often even living with their adult children. That’s not how we’ve structured our family, but it explains why MIL sees herself as having a bigger role than I think is appropriate.

My husband is an amazing dad, incredibly supportive, and earns more than enough to provide us with a very comfortable life. We even have a housekeeper, so it’s not like I’m drowning in housework, it’s just that every time MIL is here, I feel constantly judged, criticised, and completely dismissed.

Would I be unreasonable to start limiting contact, even if that means the kids see her less?

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Delphiniumandlupins · 02/04/2025 10:23

You can see her less by not giving her so much power to arrange visits. When you say "We're going swimming in the morning" she replies "I'll come for lunch" so just say "That doesn't work for me". She will probably ask why (which is rude) but you don't have to give a reason. Just keep repeating "I've told you it's not suitable". If she keeps pushing, explain that you don't enjoy her visits because she is rude and tries to interfere in your parenting. If she behaves then agree to another visit but any misbehaviour, knock her back.

EuclidianGeometryFan · 02/04/2025 10:40

clrd · 01/04/2025 19:11

She came over yesterday, and honestly, within minutes, I was already regretting it. My eldest was chatting about school, and MIL, in that voice, goes, “Well, at least the holidays are decent. Such a shame you couldn’t pick a good school for her. Girls do so much better without the distractions, but I suppose that was your decision.”

My daughter looked at me, confused, like she was waiting for me to say something and she could definitely sense the tension. MIL knows I was the one who chose the school, and this was just her way of reminding me she disapproves. I just changed the subject, but later, when my daughter ran off, MIL leaned in and went, “I just hope you haven’t made a mistake.” I felt my eyes sting, but I refused to let her see me tear up.

Then in the kitchen, I was just making tea, trying to get through the visit, and she follows me in, sighing at how I’ve arranged everything, muttering under her breath. Then she goes, “You’ve really made things hard for yourself, haven’t you? Three so close together, no wonder you’re always tired. You barely stopped breastfeeding before you were pregnant again. And if you do want more, don’t wait too long—otherwise, the little one will be left out while the older two are close.”

I just burst into tears. Couldn’t hold it in. I was already exhausted, and here she was, making me feel like I was doing everything wrong. She just rolled her eyes. “Oh, don’t be so sensitive.”

So I took a deep breath and said, “I think we need to take a break from these visits.”

She laughed. Proper laughed. “Oh, don’t be silly, dear. I only say these things because I care.”

I didn’t even argue. Just wiped my face, walked out, started tidying up in that visit’s over way. She got the hint, made a big show of hugging the kids “Granny’s going now! I’ll see you all soon!” like I was banning her from seeing them. Then, just before she left, she gave me this fake sweet smile and said, “Think about what I said, dear. It’s only because I actually care about your kids.”

I shut the door behind her and just stood there for a second, trying to process. Then I burst into tears again. I never cry, except after these visits. I love my life, I love my kids, but these visits push me to my absolute limit.

My daughter looked at me, confused, like she was waiting for me to say something and she could definitely sense the tension.

This nasty bullying dynamic is already affecting your children. You can't let the situation drift on. No child likes to see her grandmother bully her mother.

I felt my eyes sting, but I refused to let her see me tear up.

It is a bit of a cliché, but often women cry when they are angry; as women we have been socialised not to 'lose our temper' as it is not feminine, so when anger rises it instantly converts to tears.
Find your anger, and let yourself bite back - let yourself say something really aggressive and furious. You don't even have to shout, in fact 'cold' anger with a steely gaze is far more effective.
Work on getting angry instead of crying.

You are being bullied. If you were never bullied at school, it is likely you have no experience of this and no coping strategies.
You HAVE to stand up to her. Answer her back. Don't be afraid of a flaming row. You have to speak your mind, tell her exactly how rude she is, etc.

It is better to tackle this situation yourself, without involving DH. But keep accurate notes of who said what, in case she runs to him and twists the truth.

Your daughter is watching you - she needs to see how you handle being bullied. What lesson is she taking from you at present?

JustSawJohnny · 02/04/2025 10:45

You need to start standing up for yourself verbally, OP.

Her argument is that she can say what she wants to and you are too sensitive - well, if women in her family get to speak their minds then that includes you! Time to find out how sensitive SHE is!!

My guess is that the second you stand up for yourself she's going to be upset. That's when you get to roll YOUR eyes, tell HER she's being sensitive and question her about her own hormones.

Time to put your foot down, OP. It's your house, they are your children, DH is your husband - YOU get the last say.

I promise that as soon as you start snapping back you'll feel empowered and want to do it more.

stillawip · 02/04/2025 10:50

I may be going against the majority here, but I think it would be far preferable for everyone, including you, to deal with the issues head-on and then be able to have a continuing and better relationship, knowing that you took control of things and sorted it out. For yourself, it would help your self-confidence immensely to feel that you have stood up for yourself & are not being spoken to like that any more, your children would have a better relationship with their grandmother, & she would become a more acceptable member of society! So for what it’s worth my advice would be…next time she says something sarcastic or critical, answer her as if she’s being completely serious. For instance when she says “I hope you haven’t made the wrong decision” say “Oh no we haven’t, thank you. We’re happy with our decision”. If she says you breastfed for too long say “that was a joint parenting decision that (husband) and I made and we’re happy with it”. if she says “granny is here so the children can stay up” say “that’s a lovely idea but no, it’s their bedtime”. If you do this enough, & your husband does the same/ backs you up I think she would hopefully she will get tired of being countered all the time & get back in her box a bit!

bigboykitty · 02/04/2025 10:50

Here's the only phrase you need 'It's time for you to leave now MIL'

Purplecatshopaholic · 02/04/2025 10:53

Funny how ‘culture’ means treat you like crap. Fuck that, I just wouldn’t be putting up with it. It’s her culture not yours. See her less, call her out when she’s rude, see her even less - you call the shots here, so start being tougher. She might wise up and be nicer, she might not. If your DH doesn’t like it, he can be more available to deal with her..

CautiousLurker01 · 02/04/2025 11:05

If I were in your shoes I would have a practiced response to her next comment - ‘MiL, do you realise how deeply offencive that comment was to me and how rude? If you persist in talking to me in that way, I will have to ask you to leave.’

If she continues, you ask her to leave. You pick up her coat and handbag and you walk to the front door and insist she leaves. It’s hard, but I did this to a close family member who felt that they knew better about me, my kids, our dogs, my marriage - she was in a crappy marriage where she was a serial adulterer and had never had any kids. One day I cracked. Strangely enough, she never came back to my home. Bliss.

This won’t happen with a MiL, as she will insist on continued access, but you have to draw a line in the sand - if she is making critical comments in front of your daughter, confusing and potentially upsetting her, it is the beginning of a slow, toxic campaign that will undermine her too. DH has to have your back in this (mine did) and when she runs to him crying, he has to speak from the same song sheet: ie, that she has no right to offer opinions on schools, bed times, family planning or any matter relating to how you - as a couple - choose to raise your family UNLESS expressly invited to do so. This is the approach my own PiL’s too - always deferring to me when they had the children by asking what my rules were. Funnily I gave them an outline of our schedule/restrictions on food (lactose intolerant) and then said: nanny’s house, nanny’s rules, as I knew she would love and protect them as hard as I do.

You need to do this now, before the children get older as the drip, drip, drip of snark and criticism will erode not your self-esteem, but also at your children’s.

Good luck - she sounds like a bloody nightmare.

BoredZelda · 02/04/2025 11:08

nutbrownhare15 · 02/04/2025 00:03

He isn't an amazing dad if he stands by and lets you be abused by his mother like this. There needs to be a really serious conversation about the harmful impact on you and how you will both be handling this from how on. What boundaries will be out in place and how to respond if boundaries aren't respected. He needs to support his wife and you shouldn't have to deal with this on your own. First rule, no more seeing her on your own. You decide how much you want to see her, if at all.

Correct. An amazing dad stands up for his wife.

Your husband doesn’t see it as a problem because he agrees it is the correct way for women to be treated. If he thinks this is how mums are, ask him if he would like you to treat your children (and him) the same way.

He can’t marry someone from a different culture and expect them to bend entirely to his culture and not see that your cultural values are important too.

Your set up may work for him, and it may be what you think works for you, but if it is based on disrespect and him being the one with all the power, it doesn’t work for you at all. He’s only happy because you are doing what he wants. Does he spend any time with his children at all? If not, the set up isn’t working for them either.

Lourdes12 · 02/04/2025 11:09

Ask her what is making her so insecure and unhappy that she feels the need to bully you

Bigblubird · 02/04/2025 11:11

I think you need to block her attempts to call - say your going to your mums, or a friends after activities or school pick up, then go home and don't open the door. If she quizzes your kids about the excuse eg visiting your mum and they say that they were at home, just claim that there was a change of plan and you came home.

Keep being unavailable, she can focus on making her own daughters lives miserable.

You do not need her in your life, your kids don't need her in their lives, and your husband has to stick up for you.

I think you need to try to stand up for yourself - when she says you're being sensitive, you need to answer that she's being rude and hurtful.

Your kids need to see you being strong and standing up to her, or they'll be very confused.

When she criticises your DDs school, you have to tell her that you think it's a great school and that's why you picked it, and you can tell your DD later that Granny is old fashioned and thinks that boys and girls shouldn't be in school together.

If she says the kids should stay up while she's there, tell the kids that you all need to go to bed at bedtime so you won't be tired the next day - tell your kids in front of her that your family has its own rules, so they know she doesn't call the shots.

TheGaaTheSkaAndTheRa · 02/04/2025 11:12

godmum56 · 02/04/2025 10:07

I wonder if we should start saying "Tits of steel" Women don't have balls.

Yes, brilliant. Tits of steel. Love it.

sandyhappypeople · 02/04/2025 11:28

I wouldn't limit the visits to be honest, she sounds nuts and your DH doesn't have your back with her at all, so they will both blame you for any issues and you will end up backing down to keep the peace, which will erode your confidence even more ... she will know then that she has free reign to do whatever she pleases, knowing you can't stop her.

Genuinely laughing off her comments is the best way to deal with people like her, 'good grief, not the school thing again! You've told me 17 times you disapprove of it, if you keep on like this we may have to ask the doctor to check you for memory problems' then next time she says it, just sigh and say 'yep, that's 18 now! (big eye roll)' then ignore.

Or just go with the 'yes, you've told me (eye roll), anyway did you see that thing on tv last night?' etc.. etc..

If you really don't feel you can laugh it off, what you can do, and what you probably should do, is just tell her it's 'time to go' whenever she says something horrible, stop letting her get away with it, you could even talk to the kids in the same way she does, 'grannies not in a very good mood today, so she's going to come back another time', no need to be rude, keep your emotions in check, just learn to do what she does, if she complains say 'ooh you're being a bit sensitive, is it your hormones? haha!' etc etc.

Whatever you do just be (fake) nice about it, don't lose your temper or get angry, find a way to dismiss her comments so it becomes water off a ducks back to you, if she won't leave just go in a different room and pretend she isn't there until she leaves, she'll soon get the idea that you are only going to tolerate her is she is nice to you.

CautiousLurker01 · 02/04/2025 12:12

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StrongasSixpence · 02/04/2025 14:24

Get a ring doorbell and just don't answer if she calls.

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lizzyBennet08 · 02/04/2025 16:46

I think I’d stand up to her by saying listen Sheila, we’re going to fall out permanently if you don’t stop with all these comments . We’re happy with our school and having kids close together and don’t need your input on these. Frankly it’s just really rude to keep banging out about it .

Roastbeefandyorkshires · 02/04/2025 17:44

Only see her with DH present. Be v busy. Grey rock. Consider blocking her number and let DH deal with her. Staggered over time…

suburburban · 02/04/2025 18:37

carcassonne1 · 02/04/2025 08:20

She might be a bully if we look from a western point of view, but I bet she is seen as a normal, average mother in her culture/country of origin, because that's just the way things are there. Your DH is right in a way - that she probably has no idea how she comes across (you mentioned she is the same - nosy and critical - with her daughters) because she thinks she is just a normal MIL. Unfortunately you won't change her, you just need to stop taking everything so seriously and laugh everything off - that's how other DILs survive in that culture. Sometimes my SIL acts like that but it's only 2 weeks in a year, so I just ignore it, laugh it off. The bad thing is that you see her so often - it would make me mad, too. But sometimes those are the things we need to accept if we marry within other culture (and so far you have benefitted from that culture - you can be a SAHM). The situation is delicate - if you start putting too much pressure on your DH, there is a 50-50 chance that he will take his mom's side and that could destroy your marriage. She will always blame it on you. On the other hand - she could be a wonderful grandmother to your kids, so cutting her off would be unfair in my view. You need to separate 2 things here - her being a MIL and her being a grandma.

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No way

why should OP have to put with this nonsense

clrd · 02/04/2025 19:14

100percenthagitude · 02/04/2025 09:45

At least she is a Universal Piece of Work and it's not just focussed on you. That has to be a positive in terms of how you manage this @clrd

I disagree that you need a job or something. You have a life and lifestyle you love. Why the fuck should you change? You just need to find a way to cope with toxic granny.

Can you find solidarity with your SIL/s or anyone else she targets? Cope with it as a group?

The thing is, she targets me and her daughters as there’s no other DILs (DH is the only son). SILs all think she’s the best thing since sliced bread, the most helpful granny, full of good tips, an expert on motherhood… but the reasons they give is that she will walk into their house (has keys to theirs but not our house) and rearrange their cupboards without warning or invitation, she tells SILs what parenting decisions to make (schools, holiday destinations, age gaps, breastfeeding, screen time, when to get mobile phone, everything), she’ll tell them off if they feed their children the wrong food (not junk food, just not enough of one type of food or too much of another food group), she forced one of the SILs into potty training and SIL said it’s the push she needed, she . To me that makes her a terrible granny but to them, she’s their mum and the perfect grandma.

Also SILs (and DH) are 12+ years older than me and have much older kids than me.

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clrd · 02/04/2025 19:15

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/04/2025 09:42

@clrd how often do you have to see her every week?? once a fortnight would be ample. to be honest I would not care if she got upset! what makes her think she is a goddess when it comes to child rearing? i would stop answering her calls and if dh is working, I would hurry the kids upstairs and pretend you are out!

It’s a bit random, sometimes once a week, sometimes twice a week. Sometimes it’s a full day visit, other times for an hour. When I’m lucky she’s away on holiday for a while and doesn’t come for a couple of weeks.

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clrd · 02/04/2025 19:18

TheFlakyPoet · 02/04/2025 09:38

I just re-read some of your posts, and it does sound like a part-time job (getting away from everything) would be really beneficial. You'd get out of the house, talk to adults, earn something (it's not about the money) and feel good about yourself.

Could you apply for something at the local nursery/school, even the one your child(ren) go to. Or use whatever your qualification is in, to get a local job.

Having your own purpose and income changes not only changes your outlook but everyone elses too. Or sign up for a part time course to train in something that interests you.... something that you're passionate about (apart from DC) and focus your energies on yourself.

I really didn’t enjoy it when I did work and don’t want to get back into it. I have a passive income (rental property in my name given to me by my husband when we first married for this exact reason that I can be a SAHM and not worry about being left with nothing).

i genuinely LOVE everything about my current lifestyle except MIL’s visits. It’s a relatively stress free life (MIL aside) as we have a housekeeper who also cooks occasionally and a regular babysitter, so my only job is to look after the kids. This is my dream life, MIL aside.

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Ohblahdeeiblahdoe · 02/04/2025 19:31

You have been given some excellent advice and strategies on dealing with this horrible woman. Put them into practise today! Especially as she treated you so badly today. She'll make the link then. I'd give it a good two weeks before she's allowed into your home again

clrd · 02/04/2025 19:33

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/04/2025 09:31

@clrd you are the mum! what does dh say about YOUR culture?? mil needs to toe the line and keep her mouth shut. she is only a visitor and has no right to tell you what you should and shouldnt do. I would leave it to dh to visit his mother with the kids! does she not have any other family? no dh or no other offspring??

Yeah, DH always talks about two cultures coming together and how we need to accept each other’s ways. And to be fair, he has accepted a lot of mine—we do Christmas properly even though he doesn’t, the kids are being raised more like Western children (with a mix of values from both sides), and I live in a way that’s much more in line with my culture than his, and he never tries to change that.

There’s differences with the grandparents—my parents respect boundaries. If we make a decision, they support it without interfering. MIL, on the other hand, has to comment (even though it doesn’t impact the final decision). My parents trust us to raise the kids how we see fit. MIL questions everything—from their school to what they eat to what they wear. DH sees it as “just how she is.”

I do benefit from his culture too. He fully supports us financially, and that’s the expectation—he’s never once asked me to contribute, even when I was working. Back then, his salary covered everything, and mine just went straight into savings. Even now, as a SAHM, I never feel like I have to ask for money or justify spending, which I massively appreciate.

But when I push back on MIL, DH acts like it’s just a cultural difference I need to accept. Apparently, her questioning every decision I make is just “showing she cares.”

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TheFlakyPoet · 02/04/2025 19:41

@clrd It does sound like the only issue is with MIL, and I'm assuming you wouldn't want to do anything to cause tension in your marriage and therefore I don't think being direct to MIL will work.

As I think has been said, she knows she can get away with her horrendous behaviour, she knows it upsets you. I know it's easier said than done, but I would try to take away some of that power....

  1. if she says shes coming over, tell her not to trouble herself and you'll pop over to see her on <whatever date/time>.
  2. acting as though she doesn't affect you, and genuinely practice at getting better at this.
  3. organising the contact yourself (if you have to), but preferably
  4. sacrificing family time for DH to deal with her
  5. being really busy when she's around
  6. take her and the kids into the garden when ever she visits - being outdoors always helps.
  7. take her to a public place (library, park) as she (possibly) won't want to be seen upsetting you
  8. move house nearer to DH work place, which would help with more family time for yourself
  9. If she doesn't like schools, or anything just say it was DHs idea.
  10. give her jobs to do with looking after the kids

She isn't going to change, but I think it would help if you could try to change your reaction to her.

When my mum vists SIL, she always ends up emptying the dishwasher?! I know she never volunteers to do this (and she's not all that bad either :-)

clrd · 02/04/2025 19:42

BuddhaAtSea · 02/04/2025 07:11

I would have replied: My husband and I take most important decisions together, or eventually comes around to my way of thinking. Like which school, which nursing home…And leave it like that.

It’s time you stood up. Start with your husband. Don’t confuse providing for his family with paying for your services and expecting exactly that.

This is brilliant. I will be using the “which school, which nursing home… my husband trusts my views on these”

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