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AIBU to start limiting contact with my MIL for my 3 kids?

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clrd · 30/03/2025 20:53

We have three kids—5, 3, and almost 1. My husband works very long hours and earns well, which allows me to be a SAHM (what I’d always wanted to be). Our setup works well: I handle the kids’ schedules, education, health, as well as family visits because if we only saw family when my husband was available, it would eat into our rare family time and mean the kids saw their grandparents much less. It seems to work well with everything except MIL’s visits.

The problem is, the more kids we have, the more overbearing my MIL becomes. She has an opinion on everything. Every visit, she reminds me she doesn’t like the school our eldest goes to (she knows I was the one who researched and chose it). She constantly brings up how I “didn’t breastfeed for long enough” with my youngest, jokingly guesses if I’m pregnant and regularly jokes that it’s time for me to get pregnant again to “keep up the pattern.” When I brush it off, she’ll shake her head and say things like, “Well, you don’t want to leave an awkward gap, do you?” as if our family planning is somehow her decision. She also completely undermines my parenting whenever she visits. If I say it’s bedtime, she’ll immediately counter with, “Oh, don’t be silly! Granny’s still here, they can stay up late.”

When I was pregnant with my youngest, I had horrible morning sickness. One afternoon, MIL was over while I was struggling to get through the day, barely able to keep food down. As I’d been trying to keep 2 toddlers happy all morning, I thought now that their gran is here maybe I’ll sit and relax for a minute. She looked me up and down and said, “Just because you’re pregnant doesn’t mean you can stay on the sofa all day - the kids will think it’s new baby’s fault their mum doesn’t play with them. Also put some make up on before DH gets home - men love with their eyes” all said in a tone as if she’s doing me a favour sharing her advice based on a lifetime of experience and knowledge. I was exhausted, nauseous, and barely holding it together, and I just burst into tears. Instead of apologizing, she just rolled her eyes and muttered, “Oh, it’s just hormones.”

Another time, she made a comment that actually reduced me to tears in front of my kids. The baby had been fussy all morning, I was dealing with a tantrum from my toddler, and my eldest was whining about something minor. I was completely overwhelmed. MIL just sighed dramatically and said, “Maybe if you gave them more time each individually, they wouldn’t act like this.” I just broke. For context, they have all my time. I rarely go anywhere without them and spend all day every day making sure they’re healthy, happy and being developed. Admittedly it’s mainly with all 3 (or now, 2 of them, as the oldest is at school) rather than 1 on 1. I started crying right there while my kids stared at me, and instead of offering any kindness, she just muttered, “Oh, don’t be so sensitive.”

For context, my husband is from a culture where grandparents are much more involved, often even living with their adult children. That’s not how we’ve structured our family, but it explains why MIL sees herself as having a bigger role than I think is appropriate.

My husband is an amazing dad, incredibly supportive, and earns more than enough to provide us with a very comfortable life. We even have a housekeeper, so it’s not like I’m drowning in housework, it’s just that every time MIL is here, I feel constantly judged, criticised, and completely dismissed.

Would I be unreasonable to start limiting contact, even if that means the kids see her less?

OP posts:
Keiththecatwithamagichat · 02/04/2025 09:15

I know this is easier said than done, but the best way to respond to mil is act like you don't care about her opinion and just brush off any comments. That would probably drive her mad.

JoyfulLife · 02/04/2025 09:16

clrd · 01/04/2025 19:11

She came over yesterday, and honestly, within minutes, I was already regretting it. My eldest was chatting about school, and MIL, in that voice, goes, “Well, at least the holidays are decent. Such a shame you couldn’t pick a good school for her. Girls do so much better without the distractions, but I suppose that was your decision.”

My daughter looked at me, confused, like she was waiting for me to say something and she could definitely sense the tension. MIL knows I was the one who chose the school, and this was just her way of reminding me she disapproves. I just changed the subject, but later, when my daughter ran off, MIL leaned in and went, “I just hope you haven’t made a mistake.” I felt my eyes sting, but I refused to let her see me tear up.

Then in the kitchen, I was just making tea, trying to get through the visit, and she follows me in, sighing at how I’ve arranged everything, muttering under her breath. Then she goes, “You’ve really made things hard for yourself, haven’t you? Three so close together, no wonder you’re always tired. You barely stopped breastfeeding before you were pregnant again. And if you do want more, don’t wait too long—otherwise, the little one will be left out while the older two are close.”

I just burst into tears. Couldn’t hold it in. I was already exhausted, and here she was, making me feel like I was doing everything wrong. She just rolled her eyes. “Oh, don’t be so sensitive.”

So I took a deep breath and said, “I think we need to take a break from these visits.”

She laughed. Proper laughed. “Oh, don’t be silly, dear. I only say these things because I care.”

I didn’t even argue. Just wiped my face, walked out, started tidying up in that visit’s over way. She got the hint, made a big show of hugging the kids “Granny’s going now! I’ll see you all soon!” like I was banning her from seeing them. Then, just before she left, she gave me this fake sweet smile and said, “Think about what I said, dear. It’s only because I actually care about your kids.”

I shut the door behind her and just stood there for a second, trying to process. Then I burst into tears again. I never cry, except after these visits. I love my life, I love my kids, but these visits push me to my absolute limit.

I am so sorry, it must be so horrible and it can drive a wedge between you and your husband. I had awful MILs before and I know that even when trying to ignore them it is still tough. She seems to keep repeating that you had your kids too close together. I would ask her what is the purpose of repeating that. You heard her, she said it what does repeating it accomplish. I would ask, would you like me to get rid of one or two kids, what is it to be done now that I have them? And if she says something like she wants you to learn from "mistakes" shut it down with lesson learnt let's move on I don't want to hear this particular criticism again. I suspect you might be repressing your anger but anger is a healthy emotion and it doesn't have to be expressed in an aggressive way. Channel it into boundaries where respectfully you respond to her criticiism without letting that affect you so much.

MikeRafone · 02/04/2025 09:16

She laughed. Proper laughed. “Oh, don’t be silly, dear. I only say these things because I care.”

no, she says them because she is behaving as a bitch, she knows the remarks upset you but continues.

How many times has she made you cry

Next time she visits

as she is leaving whisper in so no one else heres

I dread these visits, think on if you want regular contact

loubielou31 · 02/04/2025 09:22

I thought perhaps you were being a bit sensitive but actually I can see completely how the constant little digs really eat away at your confidence. And differing cultural norms are not an excuse for meanness or cruelty.

It seems to me that you have a couple of options.
One, shout, swear, tell your mil exactly why her comments are unwanted, unkind, and she needs to wind her neck in. You will absolutely be painted the irrational and emotional one, but it would feel good (I only had to do this once but my ils are quite meek it turns out.)
Two, come up with a standard response to these digs. Something like, "The decisions made for my family are made by my husband and I. You might have chosen to do things differently but you don't have a say in this". Always the same response, and never elaborate.

Three, definitely reduce the visits. "Sorry that doesn't work for us" is a phrase often quoted on here. How many times a month do you see her now? How many would be manageable, for your sanity. Then make DH be present for half of them and actually make half of those DH only.
Four, push this back on your DH, let him deal with his mother.

MummaMummaMumma · 02/04/2025 09:24

When she says she'll be over after swimming etc, it's ok to just say no, sorry that doesn't work for me. Not today.
I think you did the right thing in telling her you need a break from visits. Stick to it!
When she persists, tell her she's been really rude to you and you've had enough. No thanks. End of conversation.

Poonu · 02/04/2025 09:25

clrd · 01/04/2025 22:19

@Lookuptotheskiesoh and also to add - he works a lot of weekends (in addition to week days), so when we do get a rare weekend with each other it feels like a shame to dedicate it to his mum.

I honestly wish we could never see her. But not an option

It is an option but your DH cares more about his DM feelings then yours

I understand it's upsetting but it seems a bit unhealthy to burst into tears Infront of your children. Develop some resilience.

You married into a different culture, did your DH trick you or not explain the reality?

You dreamed of being a SAHM as a child? I hope your children have different aspirations otherwise they will be stuck like you (as you're minimising your DH behaviour) as you will not stand up to him

Good luck.

knitnerd90 · 02/04/2025 09:28

Also something that helped my friend: when your children see this, and you don't do anything, you're teaching them that this is an acceptable way to behave.

Sicario · 02/04/2025 09:29

You are allowed to have boundaries.

You might find it helpful to practice some stock phrases to say to her.

If you cannot stop seeing her when your DH is not there, then you might need to fight fire with fire.

"You are very rude."
"I have no interest in your ridiculous opinions."
"I want you to leave now."
"Your behaviour is unacceptable."
"You are not welcome in my house."
"It's no wonder you don't have any friends."

She gets a kick out of being able to bully you (and her own daughters by the sounds of it) so needs putting firmly back in her box.

I would also not answer the door to her, even if she knows you are in the house.

Check out Dr Ramani on Youtube for tips on dealing with narcissists (which she may not be but still the tips might be helpful).

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/04/2025 09:31

@clrd you are the mum! what does dh say about YOUR culture?? mil needs to toe the line and keep her mouth shut. she is only a visitor and has no right to tell you what you should and shouldnt do. I would leave it to dh to visit his mother with the kids! does she not have any other family? no dh or no other offspring??

MikeRafone · 02/04/2025 09:32

Alternatively

just say to her

if you constantly make your dil cry she won't like you or want to spend time with you, opposed to if your kind to your dil she will want to be with you and spend time with you - think about how that affects your relationship with the family as a whole. Of course you'll still visit but you'll never ever have a good relationship with the entire family - just think about it logically, do you want to push me away with all your helpful comments or keep me close by being kind and sensitive

ButterCrackers · 02/04/2025 09:33

Only see your MIL with your dh present. It will reduce some of the family time but it will increase your happy times with the kids. You could go out for some rest when your dh is dealing with his mother and the kids. A nice cafe, a nap in the car in a safe parking area.

TheFlakyPoet · 02/04/2025 09:38

I just re-read some of your posts, and it does sound like a part-time job (getting away from everything) would be really beneficial. You'd get out of the house, talk to adults, earn something (it's not about the money) and feel good about yourself.

Could you apply for something at the local nursery/school, even the one your child(ren) go to. Or use whatever your qualification is in, to get a local job.

Having your own purpose and income changes not only changes your outlook but everyone elses too. Or sign up for a part time course to train in something that interests you.... something that you're passionate about (apart from DC) and focus your energies on yourself.

allthemiddlechildrenoftheworld · 02/04/2025 09:42

@clrd how often do you have to see her every week?? once a fortnight would be ample. to be honest I would not care if she got upset! what makes her think she is a goddess when it comes to child rearing? i would stop answering her calls and if dh is working, I would hurry the kids upstairs and pretend you are out!

Nextdoortomeis · 02/04/2025 09:44

I haven't read the whole thread.
Just because it's mils culture it's not yours.
If she is rude push back each and every time.
Life is too short for the shit she is putting you through.

100percenthagitude · 02/04/2025 09:45

At least she is a Universal Piece of Work and it's not just focussed on you. That has to be a positive in terms of how you manage this @clrd

I disagree that you need a job or something. You have a life and lifestyle you love. Why the fuck should you change? You just need to find a way to cope with toxic granny.

Can you find solidarity with your SIL/s or anyone else she targets? Cope with it as a group?

godmum56 · 02/04/2025 09:50

nutbrownhare15 · 02/04/2025 00:03

He isn't an amazing dad if he stands by and lets you be abused by his mother like this. There needs to be a really serious conversation about the harmful impact on you and how you will both be handling this from how on. What boundaries will be out in place and how to respond if boundaries aren't respected. He needs to support his wife and you shouldn't have to deal with this on your own. First rule, no more seeing her on your own. You decide how much you want to see her, if at all.

This absolutely. OP this is absolutely and in no way your doing but I think it would help if you could get angry instead of tearful.

godmum56 · 02/04/2025 09:53

I also think that if you can, I wouldn't be leaving your children with your DH and MIL without your being there. You don't want your children being taught this shit and I doubt that your DH will put a stop to it.

May09Bump · 02/04/2025 09:57

If you have to meet her arrange for an outside meetup - where she can take the kids to see ducks or similar where she is occupied with the kids. Get her to do crafty stuff with them - treat her as a toddler to occupy. You will need to come up with a better strategy for when the kids are older, as you can't be modelling being a walkover or getting disrespected.
No matter how much you like SAHM lifestyle ATM, with "culture" coming into your marriage / homelife you should backup being self-sufficient. I would strongly consider part-time work once the kids are in school and keeping any skills up to date. I see a lot of mums trapped or left in a dire financial situation when you get clashes like yours.

bathroomadviceneeded · 02/04/2025 09:58

Oh OP, I really feel for you. I have 3 DC the exact same ages as yours, so I get the unrelentingness of it, and the tiredness. Thankfully, we (by our own choice) live on the other side of the world from my ILs, otherwise I'd be dealing with a similar situation.

Unfortunately, like PP have said, unless you get your DH on board, this will never change. That's your first step. If he doesn't support you, or minimises, then you have a much bigger issue in your marriage.

Regarding MIL, I would just respond to every comment 'Wow, that was really rude.'. If she says it in front of the DC, say 'Wow, that was really rude. Grandma made a really rude comment children.' Again, and again, and again. YOU are the one who decides if the comment is rude, not her. Don't let her minimise it. You're going to have to grow a backbone to do this, I know.

I can't imagine how annoying it is when she arrives uninvited at your place. When she arrives, could you ever just not let her in? 'Now's not a good time grandma, we're free on Saturday.'.

Honestly, if it were me, I would move very far away from this woman. This is literally what I did, haha. It's hard with no family support, but it's way easier than having a bully who dictates your whole life, and undermines you in front of your DC.

GarlicSmile · 02/04/2025 09:59

I was thinking Indian or Jewish mother-in-law, too, though I'm willing to bet there are plenty of cultures whose matriarchs get their validation from bossing the next generation of women around!

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TheGaaTheSkaAndTheRa · 02/04/2025 10:04

This culture being continued had produced your MIL. THAT is why you need to make changes. The whole thing is perpetuated generation after generation.

There is no easy way. You have to be the 'bad person' and it will take balls of steel.

godmum56 · 02/04/2025 10:07

TheGaaTheSkaAndTheRa · 02/04/2025 10:04

This culture being continued had produced your MIL. THAT is why you need to make changes. The whole thing is perpetuated generation after generation.

There is no easy way. You have to be the 'bad person' and it will take balls of steel.

I wonder if we should start saying "Tits of steel" Women don't have balls.

7taxis · 02/04/2025 10:08

Is your dh from a South European or East medditerenean culture? Sounds like it 😂 the way to deal is not to limit her, but stand up for yourself and use her nosiness to your advantage, meaning put her to work. Don't take each criticism seriously, be confident. I know difficult because your world now revolves around a small group of people and what she says is central. But in the grand scheme of things you know it's not. You need to find friends, hobbies, be your own person, and tell her off regularly. "I don't appreciate you going on and on about school. It's our choice that's it, enough, don't want to hear again". "the decision when and how many kids to make is mine and dh alone, thanks for your advice but please remember it's advice and I took your point, I want no more conversations in this regard". Firm and polite.

Give her jobs to do. When she says "don't stay in the sofa" turn it into a joke. "tell that to your son who keeps me up at night" she will either laugh or be embarrassed and shut up. Or be casual "Ah, ok ok I'll make you a cup of tea if you show me how to make that tasty pasta dinner that you do later." just generally be firm, laugh it out, quick witted answers,no crying, anyway I know these advice are also dependent on characters involved but generally that's what Italian daughters in law would do.

7taxis · 02/04/2025 10:09

godmum56 · 02/04/2025 10:07

I wonder if we should start saying "Tits of steel" Women don't have balls.

I love tits of steel!!

nomas · 02/04/2025 10:17

And the best time to cry would be when your husband is there to see you cry at her comments. No point in crying to MIL, she is never going to wake up one day and realise she is being nasty.

A man who is happy for his wife to be talked to like that is not a good man or husband. My DH is also from a matriarchal culture, like me, and he adores his mum but he would never allow her to talk to me like this. And I wouldn’t allow my own parents to talk to him like this.

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