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AIBU to start limiting contact with my MIL for my 3 kids?

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clrd · 30/03/2025 20:53

We have three kids—5, 3, and almost 1. My husband works very long hours and earns well, which allows me to be a SAHM (what I’d always wanted to be). Our setup works well: I handle the kids’ schedules, education, health, as well as family visits because if we only saw family when my husband was available, it would eat into our rare family time and mean the kids saw their grandparents much less. It seems to work well with everything except MIL’s visits.

The problem is, the more kids we have, the more overbearing my MIL becomes. She has an opinion on everything. Every visit, she reminds me she doesn’t like the school our eldest goes to (she knows I was the one who researched and chose it). She constantly brings up how I “didn’t breastfeed for long enough” with my youngest, jokingly guesses if I’m pregnant and regularly jokes that it’s time for me to get pregnant again to “keep up the pattern.” When I brush it off, she’ll shake her head and say things like, “Well, you don’t want to leave an awkward gap, do you?” as if our family planning is somehow her decision. She also completely undermines my parenting whenever she visits. If I say it’s bedtime, she’ll immediately counter with, “Oh, don’t be silly! Granny’s still here, they can stay up late.”

When I was pregnant with my youngest, I had horrible morning sickness. One afternoon, MIL was over while I was struggling to get through the day, barely able to keep food down. As I’d been trying to keep 2 toddlers happy all morning, I thought now that their gran is here maybe I’ll sit and relax for a minute. She looked me up and down and said, “Just because you’re pregnant doesn’t mean you can stay on the sofa all day - the kids will think it’s new baby’s fault their mum doesn’t play with them. Also put some make up on before DH gets home - men love with their eyes” all said in a tone as if she’s doing me a favour sharing her advice based on a lifetime of experience and knowledge. I was exhausted, nauseous, and barely holding it together, and I just burst into tears. Instead of apologizing, she just rolled her eyes and muttered, “Oh, it’s just hormones.”

Another time, she made a comment that actually reduced me to tears in front of my kids. The baby had been fussy all morning, I was dealing with a tantrum from my toddler, and my eldest was whining about something minor. I was completely overwhelmed. MIL just sighed dramatically and said, “Maybe if you gave them more time each individually, they wouldn’t act like this.” I just broke. For context, they have all my time. I rarely go anywhere without them and spend all day every day making sure they’re healthy, happy and being developed. Admittedly it’s mainly with all 3 (or now, 2 of them, as the oldest is at school) rather than 1 on 1. I started crying right there while my kids stared at me, and instead of offering any kindness, she just muttered, “Oh, don’t be so sensitive.”

For context, my husband is from a culture where grandparents are much more involved, often even living with their adult children. That’s not how we’ve structured our family, but it explains why MIL sees herself as having a bigger role than I think is appropriate.

My husband is an amazing dad, incredibly supportive, and earns more than enough to provide us with a very comfortable life. We even have a housekeeper, so it’s not like I’m drowning in housework, it’s just that every time MIL is here, I feel constantly judged, criticised, and completely dismissed.

Would I be unreasonable to start limiting contact, even if that means the kids see her less?

OP posts:
GarlicSmile · 02/04/2025 06:42

look her in the eye and calmly say ‘MIL, I respect your wisdom as an elder most of the time but you are wrong to say that/bring up that topic again/criticise me yet again/label me as sensitive/interfere in our decisions/contradict my wishes

This, exactly. Every single time. Never get misled into justifying yourself, stick to the topic of HER misbehaviour. Tell her she's a guest in your home and insulting you, her host, is atrociously rude. You can even say you believe she thinks she's giving guidance, but you haven't asked her opinion and do not welcome it unsought.

When she insists on disputing it, you can ask her to tell you what she does like about your parenting / home / you - and why she never says so.

Straighten your back and use your no-nonsense stare. You can do it!

BlondeFool · 02/04/2025 06:45

ThisIsMyYearToFindMyself · 01/04/2025 20:41

This is definitely a ‘problem DH’ more than a ‘problem MIL’ thread.

He’s coming across as a bit spineless, happy to see his wife in tears as long as mummy dearest is happy.

I was just thinking the same. The MIL is a bully and her DH enables it. Using ‘culture’ for outright bullying. You need to stand up to your DH. It’s completely unacceptable and abnormal behaviour to allow his mother to treat you like this.

Unicornsandprincesses · 02/04/2025 06:51

clrd · 01/04/2025 20:54

She visits quite randomly. Popping in for “an hour” (it’s never an hour) as she’s in the area and knows we’ll be in. Knows we’ll be at the zoo till 4pm because that’s when it closes so she’ll come after. Letting us know she’d love to bring the kids pastries for breakfast or pick up from school (it’s not like I can say my child won’t be at school pickup today)

Can you stop answering your phone to her? assuming she arranges via phone first? Purposefully be out if she’s planning a visit? Literally don’t open the front door if she’s knocking?

Powderblue1 · 02/04/2025 06:52

I could have written this post, even down to MIL being from a different culture. My MIL is vile and says very unkind things too. I can’t stand it and always stick up for myself and challenge her. I’ve also reduced contact and I refuse to spend family days together with her anymore as she ruins them all. We dislike one another and she mostly sees the kids when we need childcare as that’s the only system that works for both parties. We are civil but that’s it.

stand up for yourself OP and absolutely reduce contact. Why would you do that to yourself? You deserve better!

HazelBite · 02/04/2025 06:54

My advice OP is do not react to whatever she says. I feel your pain. My MIL actually disliked me so much she refused to come to our wedding. DH didn't care about her opinions so neither did I. When she was spectacularly rude to me (usually when DH wasn't there) I just used to smile sweetly at her whilst saying in my head "Stupid woman, stupid woman"
You have to stop caring about what she says and develop a really thick skin. Tell yourself that her opinions are meaningless. Don't react or cry do not give her the satisfaction of showing her how deeply affected and upset you are by her comments.
With me it took a few years for it to peeter out, which was down to me not reacting a d her not having the satisfaction of getting to me.
It was hard but it worked I just used to sile at her a d say "Hmm" when she started.
Try it ! Good luck!

moveoveralice · 02/04/2025 07:03

Your husband is weak and doesn't seem to care you are left at the mercy of his bullying, controlling mother.

You are most vulnerable OP, at home with 3 under 5 with this witch constantly tormenting your space and peace.

I don't want to be alarmist, but speaking from experience, if these men don't have their wives backs, the marriage often breaks down.

Your kindness and willing to accommodate her has been interpreted as powerlessness. Make no mistake @clrd she wants to break you, it is a game to her. She truly doesn't mean well in the slightest and unless you stand up to her and get your H to wake up to who she is and her intentions, you will live half a life while she is still in it.

TiredCatLady · 02/04/2025 07:04

Honestly. Next time (and there will be a next time) she has you on the verge of tears, turn it on her. Fuck off is a complete sentence and going nuclear might just be the only way to stand up to her.
“Visit is over, get out of my house”
She will whinge to your DH but it sounds like no one has ever stood up to her. Do it before she starts on your DD.

TheCountofMountingCrispBags · 02/04/2025 07:07

I am constantly amazed that women seem to lose the ability to speak when such behaviour is directed towards them.
Yes, a "shut the fuck up, MiL" may be a bit harsh, but suely one can use words that are as effective. So many women fought for the female voice, yet so many let themselves to walked over by MsiL.... this site is a disappointing read at times.
Your daughter is observing these interactions, and the more you capitulate, the more she will see this as 'normal'
Other PPs have given you lots of good advice. Don't answer the door when she just 'pops' round. Don't tell her what you are doing day-to-day so then she can't insert herself into any gaps.
Also, your DH needs to get a grip and deal with her too

BuddhaAtSea · 02/04/2025 07:11

I would have replied: My husband and I take most important decisions together, or eventually comes around to my way of thinking. Like which school, which nursing home…And leave it like that.

It’s time you stood up. Start with your husband. Don’t confuse providing for his family with paying for your services and expecting exactly that.

Trendyname · 02/04/2025 07:13

clrd · 30/03/2025 21:54

There’s a “respect your elders” thing in their culture, so it wouldn’t go down well with either MIL or my DH.
Ive never called her sensitive but I do sometimes “speak back” (or that’s what she’s said to my DH that I do) in terms of saying “actually I think it IS time the kids go to bed - don’t want them to be overtired tomorrow” or when she said to both DH and I that we’ve essentially ruined our kids’ childhoods by having them too close together and therefore not enough individual attention as I’m always with the 2 or 3 of them, I responded with “oh interesting you think that! I think having siblings so close in age is the best gift we could have given them! How lucky are they - two best mates each for life” which she said was rude and left shortly afterwards. My DH didn’t comment much, just left her leave, but did make a couple of comments like “actually we couldn’t be happier with our family” “so lucky that we could have all 3 and on a timeline we wanted” but somehow I was the rude one.

Is she Indian? Sounds like a typical MiL from our culture. Respecr elders and accept abuse from them is also part of our culture. It would always be rationalised, they had tough life, they had tough MiL, they don't mean anything bad, etc. Happy to destroy son's marriage but still believe they are mother of the century.

It seems like she judges you for having 3 kids in 5 years, hence she commented keeping the pattern. She may feel resentful her son no longer makes her his number 1 priority. These kinds are highly insecure and controlling and expect their adult sons to be tied to their apron strings. Her comments about you being pregnant when you are not says a lot. You can never please these kinds. You need to tell her to mind her own business each time she mentions your next pregnancy. Also tell your husband you will not tolerate these insults anymore.

simpledeer · 02/04/2025 07:17

Why do you think it’s not an option to not see her? You are an adult. Nobody can force you to spend time with someone you don’t want to see.

Cherrysoup · 02/04/2025 07:18

You need to be far more strict with her. No more facilitating visits. I agree, I wouldn’t even open the door. (Praying she doesn’t have a key) You must stand up to your Dh, he is key here. You tell him straight, she doesn’t come round unless he is there. However, you really need to stand up to her, she doesn’t get to comment on your dc’s school, what does she know about it? Zero. Any other nasty comments from her and you repeat what she says, tell her she has no business commenting on YOUR business and kick her out.

Roll on the dc all being at school, hopefully she’ll have less reason to visit. Meanwhile, start throwing her out the second she makes a rude comment, you really need to put a stop to her bullying and yes, that’s what it is. Sounds like your Dh is making shit weak excuses for her: who is more important to him? Maybe time to ask.

nomas · 02/04/2025 07:19

I’m from a ‘respect your elders’ culture and I think you’re being very passive and your DH is being an unsupportive husband who uses his wife to fulfil duty visits with his mum so he doesn’t have to.

Limit the visits to once per month and when MIL says something answer back.

MIL, in that voice, goes, “Well, at least the holidays are decent. Such a shame you couldn’t pick a good school for her. Girls do so much better without the distractions, but I suppose that was your decision.”
My daughter looked at me, confused, like she was waiting for me to say something and she could definitely sense the tension.

You should have asked her if she’s not bored with the same questions and comments about the school. Tell the school is not changing so she doesn’t need to worry about it.

As it is, you’ve just modelled passive behaviour to your dd.

MIL leaned in and went, “I just hope you haven’t made a mistake.” I felt my eyes sting, but I refused to let her see me tear up.

Where is your anger, why are you crying instead telling her that it’s not her business?

Then she goes, “You’ve really made things hard for yourself, haven’t you? Three so close together, no wonder you’re always tired. You barely stopped breastfeeding before you were pregnant again. And if you do want more, don’t wait too long—otherwise, the little one will be left out while the older two are close.”
I just burst into tears

Why not say ‘MIL, I can hardly send them back again can I? So this discussion is pointless. And you’re contradicting yourself, saying they’r too close together and then saying next one needs to be soon as well.

Then, just before she left, she gave me this fake sweet smile and said, “Think about what I said, dear. It’s only because I actually care about your kids.”
I shut the door behind her and just stood there for a second, trying to process. Then I burst into tears again.

Why not just say ‘MIL I don’t appreciate you giving me repeated unneeded advice. DH and I are happy with our family and that’s all that matters.’

RickiRaccoon · 02/04/2025 07:21

She's plain rude. Don't let her come around. If she asks, you're "busy". You don't have to hang around with people who make you feel bad, family included.

If DH wants to deal with her, he can invite her around -- and then you can make yourself scarce if you choose.

ThinWomansBrain · 02/04/2025 07:22

"which she said was rude and left shortly after"

well there's your answer - just keep being assertive with her - if she perceives that as rude she'll keep making an early departure and eventually reduce visiting - and stop inviting her so often,

Clearinguptheclutter · 02/04/2025 07:23

She sounds awful
however I don’t quite understand the dynamic are you inviting her or is she inviting herself?

rather than having her round and annoying the bejesus out of you. Could you make proper use of her eg nip our to do some errands or exercise and leave the children with her for “quality granny time”. Or take one one child and leave the others with her. That way the kids and granny see each other and you get some peace. Take advantage of granny!

I have a tricky relationship with my MiL (though she’s far from awful) but she is always mega helpful in terms of looking after the kids eg holding the fort while I nip out. But we actually chat rarely as we get on each other’s nerves.

Zonder · 02/04/2025 07:36

clrd · 01/04/2025 22:19

@Lookuptotheskiesoh and also to add - he works a lot of weekends (in addition to week days), so when we do get a rare weekend with each other it feels like a shame to dedicate it to his mum.

I honestly wish we could never see her. But not an option

This is terrible. You are dealing with a bully and the husband you praise isn't there for you. Literally. Is this work life balance worth it? Hardly any family time, he's always working and you have to deal with his bully mother.

Time for you to respond to her next message about popping in that she's not welcome unless she can be polite. And if she comes out with that crap about how she actually cares for your kids, point out that she makes it clear how little she thinks of you and that's not good enough.

Barney16 · 02/04/2025 07:52

Does she come round once a week, twice a week or more. I know in pp you said randomly but I would embark on a sustained campaign to limit her visits. Once a week of that nonsense sounds ok if there's absolutely no chance she will just sod off. Can't she take one out? So arrives at your house and takes the toddler to the park? Or when she arrives get everyone's coat on and go for a walk. She could push the pram. She'd be more bearable out of the house maybe. I would have a very full schedule of activities too, so she can help you or not visit. Someone I know used to always answer the door in their coat. If they wanted to see who ever turned up they said oh I'm just back, if they didn't want to see them they just said oh sorry I'm popping out.

Swedemom · 02/04/2025 07:52

Stop defending yourself and your choises. Maybe you should try "grey rock"? Just a standard, short neutral answer that doesn't commit anything.

Almost anything can be answered with "Thank you for your opinion", a smile and then ignore her. And maybe you should see a therapist if possible? Try to build up your confidence and have somewhere safe to vent?

Fraaances · 02/04/2025 07:55

“I didn’t ask for your opinion MIL.”

locationx3 · 02/04/2025 07:59

You wouldn't be unreasonable to limit contact, but it doesn't look like it is a realistic expectation if your husband won't support you :(

Odras · 02/04/2025 07:59

You need to start making excuses why she can’t come around and leave your husband responsible for contact with her. This way you can basically see an awful lot less of her but you aren’t falling out with her which is preferable. Speaking from experience it is best to maintain pleasant but distant relations with difficult in-laws. Speak with your DH and agree to limit your contact as much as possible.

BeanThereDoneIt · 02/04/2025 08:02

While I appreciate that it will cause problems with your husband, I do feel that your responses to her behaviour need to be more based on how cruel she’s being and less based what what reactions he’d approve of.

It’s YOU she’s bullying, it’s you that gets to dictate how to respond to that.

You paint your husband to be lovely and supportive, and I’m sure he is in lots of different ways, but in this matter he’s being anything but.

Why should you be the one to sacrifice your happiness and well-being to appease her inclination to be a bully and your husband’s inclination to allow it?

And if you can’t make the stand for yourself, make it for your daughter who will be witnessing this horrible dynamic and seeing no repercussions for it. You know she will soon be her next victim.

I’m very much from a ‘respect your elders’ culture with the sort of family involvement you describe being the norm. That is not an excuse for the continuation of this very unhealthy dynamic. Frankly, your husband needs to take his head out of his arse and actually take stock of the situation he’s enabling.

DrummingMousWife · 02/04/2025 08:11

I would warn her the minute she steps in my house “if you are nasty today, you will be leaving” then smile and make some tea. Anything nasty, you do as you said and tell her it’s time to leave and off she goes. You don’t have to put up with this, and just crying is making you look like you can’t handle things, you need to toughen up and kick her into touch. Your kids are watching you get treated badly.

Ellie1015 · 02/04/2025 08:16

You have done the right thing deciding to see her less.

Also work on not feeling hurt by her comments, easier said than done but she is horrible. When she says something horrible try to see her as horrible rather than think her opinion means anything. If someone i respect criticises me it is hurtful. When a rude person is rude I just feel indifferent or angry. (Saying this for your own peace of mind not to help mil).

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