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Would Muslims be horrified if they really knew what halal slaughter involved?

213 replies

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:31

PLEASE DO NOT READ IF EASILY UPSET - REFERENCES TO ANIMAL SLAUGHTER

First of all I want to make it clear I am not being racist or am not racist in any way, shape or form, but this is a question I have often pondered for many years now.

My friends ex husband worked at a halal meat abbatoir and although he'd been a slaughterman for many years prior to this, it was using the traditional pre-stunning method prior to slaughter. I guess it's one of those less desirable jobs but it's one of those 'someone has to do it' jobs.
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He lasted a few days before quitting his job at this halal place, deeply distressed at what he witnessed, certainly distressed enough to be sobbing in my friends arms whilst he told her about it. I'll spare you the ghastly details but he witnessed a tremendous amount of suffering whilst working there and did report his findings to the local authority. They said that when they carried out a visit their findings were that the process was being carried out correctly.

The animals at some halal abbatoirs are not pre stunned before slaughter and scientists have proven how unethical and cruel the method of cutting the carotid artery on an animal actually is, with some animals, in particular young calves who have a very good supply of nerves and blood vessels on the top of their necks. This prolongs their consciousness and can cause terrible suffering and it can take a couple of minutes for them to die whilst suspended by a back leg in the air after the cut is made whilst they bleed to death. Obviously the animal is beyond terrified and will struggle. Sometimes cows are put in a contraption that lifts their chin in order to make the cut and turned upside down. I have watched a video of both methods and it is very obvious the animals are conscious for many seconds to a minute or more, you can see their terror, they are not reflexes. This is as an offering to Allah as it states (possibly in the Quaran) that animals have to be offered alive when slaughtered. More and more halal abbatoirs are now pre stunning but there are still many that don't which represent a great many. In 2018 48% of all halal slaughter was not prestunned. 24,000 cattle in 2022 were not prestunned and 2.7million sheep (which represents a horrific 22% of all animals slaughtered in the UK) were not prestunned. The figure for chickens is even worse with 22 million not stunned.

I have read extensive research about both methods because I like a lot of other peoplecannot understand why our government allows religious slaughter when it causes so much suffering and I, like many others try to avoid the halal mark on shop bought food and never eat meat from a restaurant if I know it is serving halal food.

I have friends/work colleagues who are Muslims and I do not regard them any different from myself in any way other than I would never share a meal with them for these reasons.

Just for reference I am a meat eater and try to buy ethically sourced meat from local butchers as well as the supermarket red tractor scheme meat.

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Oolliivviiaa · 28/03/2025 13:34

It's a wonder this is allowed to happen, surely the RSCPA or similar body has rules, regs, inspections for these places? Seems crazy in 2025. The killing of animals will always cause some distress, I think us meat eaters understand that, but minutes of struggle seems barbaric.

SaffronsMadAboutMe · 28/03/2025 13:36

Gosh it's been almost a week since we've had one of these threads.

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titchy · 28/03/2025 13:36

Wait till you hear about the standard, non-halal way of killing chickens….

Upbiffa · 28/03/2025 13:37

Yes, it seems horrendous that an animal can be killed, with pain and distress caused.

I don't think it's limited to halal though.

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Comedycook · 28/03/2025 13:39

I think most meat eaters regardless of religion would find any slaughter, halal or not, quite unpalatable....I say that as a commited meat eater by the way.

WanderInMyTime · 28/03/2025 13:41

Would you put kosher slaughter in the same category?

JoyousEagle · 28/03/2025 13:42

You eat meat though - and however ethically sourced it is, they aren’t being cuddled to death. How you can eat any meat at all is probably baffling to many vegetarians.

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:44

WanderInMyTime · 28/03/2025 13:41

Would you put kosher slaughter in the same category?

Yes I would. It is the same method, one a prayer is recited the other there is no prayer.

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OneTC · 28/03/2025 13:44

Just for reference I am a meat eater

lol

Hoppinggreen · 28/03/2025 13:45

Slaughter houses of any kind are not places where happy animals cheerfully frolick to their deaths

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:45

JoyousEagle · 28/03/2025 13:42

You eat meat though - and however ethically sourced it is, they aren’t being cuddled to death. How you can eat any meat at all is probably baffling to many vegetarians.

Yes I get that. But I can see that when an animal is rendered unconscious it no longer suffers.

Of course there is a level of unpleasantness for all methods but one is more humane than the other.

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MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 28/03/2025 13:48

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:45

Yes I get that. But I can see that when an animal is rendered unconscious it no longer suffers.

Of course there is a level of unpleasantness for all methods but one is more humane than the other.

If you care about animal welfare, fretting over how they spend the last two minutes of their lives should be the least of your worries.

Kingfishersperch · 28/03/2025 13:49

It should be banned. I don’t understand why it’s not banned, it’s unnecessary and inhumane.

peachescariad · 28/03/2025 13:49

I'm an Ex Food safety EHO and worked for a London borough for 11 years and on 2 occasions, through some detective work with the Meat Hygiene service and later with the Food Standards Agency, we uncovered 2 halal popup/unlicensed/illegal slaughter houses... F**k me the videos still haunt me to this day. Fucking barbaric and the faces of those men while doing it.
The 2 we uncovered were just a tip of the iceberg - there are 100s of these.

Maitri108 · 28/03/2025 13:49

I am not being racist or am not racist in any way, shape or form, but...

I don't understand the difference in the treatment of animals. All over the world, animals are kept in appalling conditions and slaughtered for food. Some countries might have more laws regarding cruelty to animals but we all know what goes on behind closed doors.

You eat meat and are contributing to the cruelty and slaughter of animals.

misssunshine4040 · 28/03/2025 13:50

It’s all absolutely vile. Religious sacrifice of animals in this day and age is absolutely abhorrent.
Slaughtered animals should be show dignity and minimal distress.
Meat should be a premium product to reflect this

Ablondiebutagoody · 28/03/2025 13:50

Why not ask your Muslim friends?

sweetpickle2 · 28/03/2025 13:50

MeowCatPleaseMeowBack · 28/03/2025 13:48

If you care about animal welfare, fretting over how they spend the last two minutes of their lives should be the least of your worries.

This 100%.

WoodyOwl · 28/03/2025 13:51

Are chicken eaters horrified that male chicks are thrown into a macerator (alive) and sliced/ground to death?

HangryBrickShark · 28/03/2025 13:51

Here's a link to explain more

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

Genuinely respectfully curious though, are there Muslims that did not know what halal actually consisted of??

Would it change the way you source your meat knowing this information?

Religious Slaughter - Animal Welfare | RSPCA - RSPCA - rspca.org.uk

Find out why we're opposed to the slaughter of animals without pre-stunning (religious slaughter) and learn about the welfare issues involved.

https://www.rspca.org.uk/adviceandwelfare/farm/slaughter/religiousslaughter

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BatchCookBabe · 28/03/2025 13:51

What makes you think they don't all know? Wink

Whoarethoseguys · 28/03/2025 13:52

Would Christian meat eaters be shocked if they knew what it was like in a slaughter house or chicken factory.
Would Jewish meat eaters be shocked if they knew how kosher meat is slaughtered
Why have you just singled out halal?

hookeywole · 28/03/2025 13:52

Isn't loads of meat slaughtered this way now regardless?

Maitri108 · 28/03/2025 13:53

Whoarethoseguys · 28/03/2025 13:52

Would Christian meat eaters be shocked if they knew what it was like in a slaughter house or chicken factory.
Would Jewish meat eaters be shocked if they knew how kosher meat is slaughtered
Why have you just singled out halal?

I wonder if the OP knows what Shechita involves.

Mylegishangingoff · 28/03/2025 13:53

It's a bit crazy for you to think that Muslims and presumably Jewish people seeing as you feel the same way about Kosher slaughter don't know what it involves?

I also think it's crazy that you wouldn't share a meal with them. Want to go get avocado on toast for breakfast with me? No because you don't know what Halal slaughter involves Angry

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