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To be upset a brothel has opened next door to my child's school

315 replies

OneJadeEagle · 27/03/2025 09:52

Walking past school last week I noticed a shop next door that had been shut for ages has now turned into a 'massage' place. Curtains firmly shut, doorbell on, locked door, 'calling cards' left on the outside for people to pick up discreetly. Checked online and the gumtree ads and reviews from men leave no doubt the type of massages they are offering.

The school is a special needs school and some of the older children, whilst vulnerable with learning disabilities, do walk to school alone past the premises. The whole thing just really gives me the creeps, the idea of a bunch of creepy men being attracted to the road right by all these kids, possibly drugs etc.

Anyways I messaged the class WhatsApp to try and co-ordinate complaints to the council and the general vibe was I was overreacting. We are in a big city, there's always going to be something going on in the vicinity. Why put some ladies out of work when they're trying to earn an honest living and as long as they aren't parading into school what's the drama.

I don't know, AIBU?

OP posts:
FaithFables · 27/03/2025 19:42

JHound · 27/03/2025 11:13

There are men who have visited sex workers who are “nice normal guys who just want to have sex” too. I have known (and dated) more than a few.

Ew, you need to find better men to "know".

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 19:50

BeaAndBen · 27/03/2025 17:56

It's prostitution, Christina, not 'sex work.' Every time it occurs, it damages women and girls in the wider society as well as the prostituted woman.

Why should it be for the state to tell women who they can and can’t have sex with? Are women so unable to make their own decisions?

In my view, if women want to carry out this type of work, that should be up to them. It should be tightly regulated to ensure it takes place safely.

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 19:52

ItGhoul · 27/03/2025 10:48

Why do you imagine that men who are going to visit adult women for sex are going to be interested in the kids at your child's special needs school? They're no more likely to be paedophiles than any other man. Setting aside the rights/wrongs of sex work in general, the only sexual interest these men are demonstrating is in sex with adult women. They're no more likely to be a danger to a child than any other man who has sex with women.

This is actually not true as child sex offenders frequently use prostitutes. There is a plethora of research on this. I personally wouldn’t want a brothel anywhere near a school.

OP please ring police and report and contact your local councillor if you have had no joy with the council.

as others have said, often modern slavery is hidden behind “massage parlours”

Some of these posters should read the feminism boards to educate themselves about prostitution and why as a society we should not be accepting of it.

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 19:59

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 19:52

This is actually not true as child sex offenders frequently use prostitutes. There is a plethora of research on this. I personally wouldn’t want a brothel anywhere near a school.

OP please ring police and report and contact your local councillor if you have had no joy with the council.

as others have said, often modern slavery is hidden behind “massage parlours”

Some of these posters should read the feminism boards to educate themselves about prostitution and why as a society we should not be accepting of it.

So women shouldn’t be allowed to make their own choices?

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 20:09

@SeaSwim5have you been in a massage parlour and asked how many of them felt it was a “choice”

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 20:16

Just to note there is nothing to say this post isn’t genuine as you often get so called “pop-up” brothels

SpringIsSpringing25 · 27/03/2025 20:22

ItGhoul · 27/03/2025 10:48

Why do you imagine that men who are going to visit adult women for sex are going to be interested in the kids at your child's special needs school? They're no more likely to be paedophiles than any other man. Setting aside the rights/wrongs of sex work in general, the only sexual interest these men are demonstrating is in sex with adult women. They're no more likely to be a danger to a child than any other man who has sex with women.

I agree.

Ddakji · 27/03/2025 20:56

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 19:50

Why should it be for the state to tell women who they can and can’t have sex with? Are women so unable to make their own decisions?

In my view, if women want to carry out this type of work, that should be up to them. It should be tightly regulated to ensure it takes place safely.

Choices aren’t made in a vacuum. Choices that are made entirely freely aren’t choices at all.

Stop calling it work, as though it’s on a par with being a lawyer, or a hairdresser or a plumber. It isn’t. It’s prostitution. Exploitation. Abuse.

How do you think a health and safety review, risk assessment, equality impact assessment, etc, occur in this line of “work”?

Your apologism is grotesque.

offmynut · 27/03/2025 20:58

Id love to own a brothel and hope to go to the porn awards one day.
Just like your post op a load of lies.

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 21:01

Ddakji · 27/03/2025 20:56

Choices aren’t made in a vacuum. Choices that are made entirely freely aren’t choices at all.

Stop calling it work, as though it’s on a par with being a lawyer, or a hairdresser or a plumber. It isn’t. It’s prostitution. Exploitation. Abuse.

How do you think a health and safety review, risk assessment, equality impact assessment, etc, occur in this line of “work”?

Your apologism is grotesque.

Well in a vacuum I imagine most people would choose not to work at all, but that isn’t the world we live in.

In a liberal society, it should be for women to decide what choices they make.

Arran2024 · 27/03/2025 21:17

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 21:01

Well in a vacuum I imagine most people would choose not to work at all, but that isn’t the world we live in.

In a liberal society, it should be for women to decide what choices they make.

Do you think people should be able to sell their kidneys? Cut off a limb to get into the Parolympics? Sell their babies? We do put limits on what people can do.

Lovelyview · 27/03/2025 21:31

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jess-phillips-russell-home-office-mps-men-b1219328.html

This is a timely report. 'Men have been urged to “stop using prostitutes” by a Labour MP, as she raised concerns for women who are being “systematically raped”. Sarah Russell said a “significant” number of women are brought to the UK under false pretences before being forced to work in the sex industry.'

All the apologists for prostitution on this thread should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 22:02

Arran2024 · 27/03/2025 21:17

Do you think people should be able to sell their kidneys? Cut off a limb to get into the Parolympics? Sell their babies? We do put limits on what people can do.

No, because all of those things are inherently harmful and dangerous.

Sex between consenting adults is not harmful or dangerous.

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 22:04

Lovelyview · 27/03/2025 21:31

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/jess-phillips-russell-home-office-mps-men-b1219328.html

This is a timely report. 'Men have been urged to “stop using prostitutes” by a Labour MP, as she raised concerns for women who are being “systematically raped”. Sarah Russell said a “significant” number of women are brought to the UK under false pretences before being forced to work in the sex industry.'

All the apologists for prostitution on this thread should be utterly ashamed of themselves.

There is a difference between exploitation and prostitution. Of course trafficking should be tackled like it would be in any business. There is a big issue with women being trafficked to work in nail bars- that doesn’t mean nail bars should be banned.

In my view having prostitution as a legal and tightly regulated business would reduce the criminal activity associated with it.

Arran2024 · 27/03/2025 22:07

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 22:02

No, because all of those things are inherently harmful and dangerous.

Sex between consenting adults is not harmful or dangerous.

"Consenting" is doing a lot of lifting there!

Lovelyview · 27/03/2025 22:12

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 22:04

There is a difference between exploitation and prostitution. Of course trafficking should be tackled like it would be in any business. There is a big issue with women being trafficked to work in nail bars- that doesn’t mean nail bars should be banned.

In my view having prostitution as a legal and tightly regulated business would reduce the criminal activity associated with it.

We are talking about women's bodies being used for men to ejaculate into. Let me know when you'll be supporting your daughter's career in prostitution. Nice little earner, flexible hours, free sti testing, who wouldn't want that.

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 22:21

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 22:04

There is a difference between exploitation and prostitution. Of course trafficking should be tackled like it would be in any business. There is a big issue with women being trafficked to work in nail bars- that doesn’t mean nail bars should be banned.

In my view having prostitution as a legal and tightly regulated business would reduce the criminal activity associated with it.

Again I will ask how many women have you spoken to working as prostitutes either in massage parlours or on the street.
Those who aren’t trafficked are still being exploited and often have little “choice”

it’s not pretty woman

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 22:30

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 22:21

Again I will ask how many women have you spoken to working as prostitutes either in massage parlours or on the street.
Those who aren’t trafficked are still being exploited and often have little “choice”

it’s not pretty woman

I have spoken to a woman who has worked as an ‘upmarket’ escort. She loved the role as she made a fortune and had complete flexibility.

Why should it be for the state or other women to dictate what women can and can’t do out of moralistic paternalism?

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 22:42

SeaSwim5 · 27/03/2025 22:30

I have spoken to a woman who has worked as an ‘upmarket’ escort. She loved the role as she made a fortune and had complete flexibility.

Why should it be for the state or other women to dictate what women can and can’t do out of moralistic paternalism?

Ok I’m out
you are just on a wind up

Christinapple · 27/03/2025 23:03

Justasmallgless · 27/03/2025 22:42

Ok I’m out
you are just on a wind up

Since the pay is about £200 an hour (and that's the going rate, "high class" escorts can charge much more) it's not a wind up at all.

Maddy70 · 28/03/2025 00:08

I don't understand your issue. Your children are unlikely to know anything about this it's not like they're shagging in the street

FortyNineAndABit · 28/03/2025 07:26

OneJadeEagle · 27/03/2025 10:41

Well they haven't - brothel-keeping is against the law. They just obviously haven't checked / don't care.

Have you reported it? Maybe they don't know about it yet.

I live in London and see a lot of shit going on, but I have never seen a brothel with calling cards on the step and an easily findable online presence.

Coolasfeck · 28/03/2025 07:41

My eyebrows are raised up into my scalp at the suggestion a council gave permission for a massage parlour next door to a school.

However, glad to see so many calling prostitution what it is rather than ‘sex work’.

Valeriekat · 28/03/2025 08:47

Ddakji · 27/03/2025 10:23

That’s appalling that the council have allowed this - I would start with them. Kick up as massive a fuss as you can. Children should not have to walk past the disgusting predatory abusive men who will be going there.

This! Do you want those men near a school much less one for children with special needs.

Cerealkiller9000 · 28/03/2025 10:33

Ddakji · 27/03/2025 14:48

Proof? Consent can’t be bought - that’s just a fact. If it’s transactional it’s not freely given consent. Ergo, it’s rape.

I’m sorry the “sex work is work” mantra has blinded you to reality of prostitution.

Again. Proof??

for the third time?