To be upset a brothel has opened next door to my child's school

[OneJadeEagle]

Walking past school last week I noticed a shop next door that had been shut for ages has now turned into a 'massage' place. Curtains firmly shut, doorbell on, locked door, 'calling cards' left on the outside for people to pick up discreetly. Checked online and the gumtree ads and reviews from men leave no doubt the type of massages they are offering.

The school is a special needs school and some of the older children, whilst vulnerable with learning disabilities, do walk to school alone past the premises. The whole thing just really gives me the creeps, the idea of a bunch of creepy men being attracted to the road right by all these kids, possibly drugs etc.

Anyways I messaged the class WhatsApp to try and co-ordinate complaints to the council and the general vibe was I was overreacting. We are in a big city, there's always going to be something going on in the vicinity. Why put some ladies out of work when they're trying to earn an honest living and as long as they aren't parading into school what's the drama.

I don't know, AIBU?

Yeah fuck misogyny. Fuck women. It’s FINE 😬🙄

For context: sex work is work so selling the holes in your body is the same as working on the check out at Tescoes - or words to that effect (not exact quote).
Looks like it was what you meant.

She might not but I have just been reading about legalised prostitution in Germany. Brothels compete with each other, women are trafficked, porn and prostitution are found on TV. Micro brothels open in residential streets. Men queue up (one queue was 1700 men long) for 'offers' similar to BOGOF - and women are used like things.
In New Zealand, since prostitution was legalised there has been an explosion in prostituted women and it is more difficult for prostituted women to escape. That is not an improvement.

She might not but I have just been reading about legalised prostitution in Germany. Brothels compete with each other, women are trafficked, porn and prostitution are found on TV. Micro brothels open in residential streets. Men queue up (one queue was 1700 men long) for 'offers' similar to BOGOF - and women are used like things.
In New Zealand, since prostitution was legalised there has been an explosion in prostituted women and it is more difficult for prostituted women to escape. That is not an improvement.

Well, it stops being free for a start. So I would say yes, it’s no longer consensual in the CPS’s definition. IANAL though.

There is no way in which selling your body for sex can be done safely. It's selling the holes in your body to have someone else's fluids in and you don't know where else they have been. It is degrading for women and not just for those unfortunate enough to be prostituted, but for all women. Prostitution treats all women as if they are things for men's sexual and other gratification. If you cannot see that SeaSwim5 plenty others on this board are spelling it out to you.

I wonder how your friends who are prostituted really feel? If we do work we hate we put a brave face on it, and of all things we do selling our bodies for someone else to use as they will if pretty high on something most people would hate. One of your friends has a punter who makes your skin creep - and she has sex with him and is happy about it. I don't believe it for a moment. The 'Happy Hooker' is a male invention to make them feel better about using women like objects and give a gloss of sophistication (this was originally a bad thing btw) to degradation.
Men are the abusers - they think they are entitled to have sex with any women they can pay. They are paying to commit rape.

What’s the harm?
It’s just a business?

I grew up in an area with a few of these places and was stopped many times and asked for various sexual acts by filthy disgusting men from when I was aged 10 up.

I would fight this to protect children with every bone in my body.

There is no such thing as 'sex work', the women are prostituted to others' profit. And having a brothel with men who think they are entitled to pay for sex is not a good idea anywhere, let alone outside a school, where vulnerable young girls are about. How do you think women end up prostituted, ItGhoul? By trafficking, by grooming, by getting hooked on drugs by men with evil intent - that's how. And you think it's okay that women are paid to be raped next door to a school! Words fail me.

What makes you think they are consenting adults? Are you unaware of trafficking from eastern Europe and elsewhere to staff brothels? The women involved are often forced, either to pay back their passage money (passport taken until they pay, and their food and lodging is added to the bill while they work to pay the bill off, so it never ends), to protect family at home, or because they have been made afraid of the police and being deported. I don't call that consent and also, you cannot buy consent, so prostitution is rape.

I’d love to read that also. Please post the link here. Thank you

So in your view Love Island shouldn’t be allowed given that everyone on it is there purely as a sex object?

Also. She spoke about consent…..

How is grabbing a stranger’s boobs comparable to engaging in a financial transaction agreed tk be all parties?

And the point is if a masseuse is massaging that’s a service if she massages her leg but “selling her body” if she massages a penis.

How does that make sense?

Not saying I’d be happy about it either , but is it reasonable to say that about the men who go there? Perhaps I’m naive

In my extensive experience many prostitutes are raped but only report it to authorities when they have been physically beaten so badly they can’t continue to work or have been robbed.

This notion that the punter agrees a contract and abides by it is so far from reality it’s frightening.
The academic studies only feature case studies of those who want to engage. Unless there is something in it for them, why the hell would they want to.

Those supporting prostitution have such a blinkered view

This is what ‘punters’ really think of ‘sex workers’.

If, after reading, you still think this is just a job, like Tescos ffs, or empowering, or should exist anywhere, never mind next to a school, then you’re not only misogynistic, you’re stupid.

https://nordicmodelnow.org/myths-about-prostitution/myth-punters-care-about-the-women-they-buy/

The following is from the linked article, and the punters comments can be read by anyone on Punternet.com which is a British website where ‘punters’ (sex buyers) post reviews of ‘escorts’ (sex sellers)

“The comments below were posted by punters. They expose as a lie the claims that punters respect the women they buy. If an escort fails to meet punters’ ideal (young, thin, obedient and eager) she is insulted and called a ‘whore’ or a ‘bitch’ and referred to as ‘it’ or ‘the thing’. Punters claim never to exploit those who appear to be unwilling, forced or drugged, and yet the quotes prove that this is untrue, and reveal that punters do not care a jot for the escort’s comfort, welfare or health.”

”‘I am an early 20s male and fancied trying an older lady…she was in her mid 50s but I was determined to have some older pussy… When I fuck, I fuck HARD! and within a minute she was asking me to take it easy on her old back. Began to pump away again as she told me I really knew how to fuck a girl (or in her case an old dog). Didn’t want to embarrass the old whore by coming on her tits or face.’

‘She looked nearer 60 than 50, but I made the most of her and called her a cock sucking bitch. I said get on your back and take some real cock you whore. I asked if I could call her names first as it would be the only way I could maintain a hard on with such a woman.’”

”The site owners and users declare that they support, review, patronise and approve only those escorts who are working in prostitution of their own free will. However, when an escort’s demeanour shows aversion, even repugnance, punters’ only concern is that they are not getting what they paid for.”

“‘Completely uncommunicative… shoved loads of lube up her fanny… it became clear that this could only be a wank into the body of the girl.’”

”‘Morgan just did not want to be there. Maybe it’s the credit crunch forced her into selling herself to pay the mortgage.’”

“‘Every attempt at intimacy was blocked with a turned away face.’
‘Sat on the bed about as far away from me as possible, making no move whatsoever to engage… Perfunctory fuck followed. Came. Went.’”

A website advocating the Nordic model is not really going to offer an unbiased perspective.

It’s going to offer a perspective that puts the woman front and centre.

Yes, but I don’t know who they are fighting, or harming. I think themselves.

So go and read Punternet for yourself.

It’s not going to offer the perspective of women who want to make their own choices rather than be told who they’re allowed to have sex with though, is it?

Good try on the contracted work argument

We can ignore child workers for now

But what about the ability to obtain Specific Performance orders from the court where an adult contracted to provide service to a adult failed to finish out the contract

That's OK then, we can ignore these stories and pretend there is a group of women extremely happy with their life choices out there?

Look at Anora. That's supposed to be sex worker positive but her life is pretty awful and she tries to escape it at the first possible moment.

I'll have a look.
It was on another thread here: men urged to stop using prostitutes. The link was put up by @RethinkingLife. Link is https://fightthenewdrug.org/germanys-legalized-prostitution-industry-looks-like-a-real-life-horror-movie//germanys-legalized-prostitution-industry-looks-like-a-real-life-horror-movie/ (have typed in - not sure why it would not paste). It has photos but I could not get them to open. Not sure how to ask if okay to share so fingers crossed it's ok.