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To be upset a brothel has opened next door to my child's school

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OneJadeEagle · 27/03/2025 09:52

Walking past school last week I noticed a shop next door that had been shut for ages has now turned into a 'massage' place. Curtains firmly shut, doorbell on, locked door, 'calling cards' left on the outside for people to pick up discreetly. Checked online and the gumtree ads and reviews from men leave no doubt the type of massages they are offering.

The school is a special needs school and some of the older children, whilst vulnerable with learning disabilities, do walk to school alone past the premises. The whole thing just really gives me the creeps, the idea of a bunch of creepy men being attracted to the road right by all these kids, possibly drugs etc.

Anyways I messaged the class WhatsApp to try and co-ordinate complaints to the council and the general vibe was I was overreacting. We are in a big city, there's always going to be something going on in the vicinity. Why put some ladies out of work when they're trying to earn an honest living and as long as they aren't parading into school what's the drama.

I don't know, AIBU?

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WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 29/03/2025 12:48

It’s not going to offer the perspective of women who want to make their own choices rather than be told who they’re allowed to have sex with though, is it?

If you’d bothered to read my post rather than your knee jerk to put men and their boners front and centre, the article and the quotes were only from the men’s perspective. It was not about happy hookers, I don’t think how the women felt actually crossed their minds at all. They thought, rather like you seem to, that their boners were the only thing that mattered.

Grammarnut · 29/03/2025 13:02

Here you go, @Cerealkiller9000 The article is this: Legalized Prostitution In Germany Looks Like A Living Nightmare (PHOTOS)
Link won't be shared for some reason, but the article is findable on the home page.
The article is on thread 'Men urged to give up using prostitutes.
https://fightthenewdrug.org/germanys-legalized-prostitution-industry-looks-like-a-real-life-horror-movie/
Ah, that worked!

SeaSwim5 · 29/03/2025 13:09

Grammarnut · 29/03/2025 13:02

Here you go, @Cerealkiller9000 The article is this: Legalized Prostitution In Germany Looks Like A Living Nightmare (PHOTOS)
Link won't be shared for some reason, but the article is findable on the home page.
The article is on thread 'Men urged to give up using prostitutes.
https://fightthenewdrug.org/germanys-legalized-prostitution-industry-looks-like-a-real-life-horror-movie/
Ah, that worked!

Edited

Again, I’m not sure that an anti sex-work website is going to offer an objective or balanced assessment.

Grammarnut · 29/03/2025 13:24

SeaSwim5 · 29/03/2025 13:09

Again, I’m not sure that an anti sex-work website is going to offer an objective or balanced assessment.

Who is not anti-sex work? It chimed with much that I know and apprehend about prostitution. You can take out the anti-sex work attitude and still see that prostitution is about exploitation and degradation.
Or would you be happier if I gave a description of prostitution from the pov of pimps and pornographers?

SeaSwim5 · 29/03/2025 13:35

Grammarnut · 29/03/2025 13:24

Who is not anti-sex work? It chimed with much that I know and apprehend about prostitution. You can take out the anti-sex work attitude and still see that prostitution is about exploitation and degradation.
Or would you be happier if I gave a description of prostitution from the pov of pimps and pornographers?

Edited

What these campaign groups all have in common is that they espouse the views of people (who in many cases have never been sex workers) but want to tell other women what they can and can’t do.

The voices of those who actually choose this type of work are conspicuous by their absence.

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 29/03/2025 13:51

If there are so many women who are happy to be prostituted, why are there so many women and girls trafficked?

If being a ‘sex worker’ is so empowering, why is it not a career choice promoted in schools?

If high end escorts prove what a lucrative career it is that they freely choose, why are there any women ‘choosing’ to offer blowjobs in ally’s for a fiver?

It’s also odd how it’s primarily women who are prostituted not men.

It’s a conundrum.

Arran2024 · 29/03/2025 15:08

High end prostitutes call themselves escorts - they don't associate themselves with "sex work" and they tend to keep their profession secret. Only women whose lives are chaotic and who have nothing to lose seem happy to be honest about what they do.

It is not a business that can be normalised.

Grammarnut · 29/03/2025 15:18

SeaSwim5 · 29/03/2025 13:35

What these campaign groups all have in common is that they espouse the views of people (who in many cases have never been sex workers) but want to tell other women what they can and can’t do.

The voices of those who actually choose this type of work are conspicuous by their absence.

That's a lie. Many former prostitutes are part of groups which wish to corral prostitution and limit it - their testimony is often heartrending. A fictionalised portrait of the realities of prostitution is found in JKRowlings' 6th Strike novel, Troubled Blood. It's part of the subplot surrounding one of the suspects in the cold case being investigated (and strangely omitted in the BBC series, perhaps because the suspect in question - a doctor - has a fetish, he likes sex with woman who play dead).

OreganoFlow · 29/03/2025 15:20

I recommend Paid For by Rachel Moran. Not many books have ever made a greater impression on me.

Cerealkiller9000 · 29/03/2025 15:24

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 29/03/2025 13:51

If there are so many women who are happy to be prostituted, why are there so many women and girls trafficked?

If being a ‘sex worker’ is so empowering, why is it not a career choice promoted in schools?

If high end escorts prove what a lucrative career it is that they freely choose, why are there any women ‘choosing’ to offer blowjobs in ally’s for a fiver?

It’s also odd how it’s primarily women who are prostituted not men.

It’s a conundrum.

An again you’re clumping them alltogetber

do ALL civil workers hate their job? Are they all forced to do something?

again not all wil be trafficked.

you need to realise that you cannot talk for a entire part of the human race.

Cerealkiller9000 · 29/03/2025 15:25

WomanXXWorldsOriginsofMothersofAllNations · 29/03/2025 13:51

If there are so many women who are happy to be prostituted, why are there so many women and girls trafficked?

If being a ‘sex worker’ is so empowering, why is it not a career choice promoted in schools?

If high end escorts prove what a lucrative career it is that they freely choose, why are there any women ‘choosing’ to offer blowjobs in ally’s for a fiver?

It’s also odd how it’s primarily women who are prostituted not men.

It’s a conundrum.

I mean. Oh. Conundrjm

those who change a fiver are usually due to the stats homeless and addicted to something.

that’s the answer to your wiestion

tada!!!

LittleCharlotte · 30/03/2025 00:23

JHound · 28/03/2025 10:50

I am convinced they do not. I am not pro-sex work per se but do have a very close friend and acquaintances who are currently / former FSSW who would reject people insisting to them that they are rape victims who just don’t realise that yet.

I also have an old friend who, while not a sex worker directly, had “benefactors” and was very clear she would not think of having sex with a man who was not financing her life (this was when she was criticising me for thinking differently.)

I just don’t get why some people here think they should he the sole arbiters of the “correct” contexts in which people may have sex.

You think that's a healthy way of living? That your friend with "benefactors" (she's a prostitute, no matter what she wants to call it) refusing to have sex with any man unless they pay her has a normal healthy attitude to sex?

JHound · 30/03/2025 03:15

LittleCharlotte · 30/03/2025 00:23

You think that's a healthy way of living? That your friend with "benefactors" (she's a prostitute, no matter what she wants to call it) refusing to have sex with any man unless they pay her has a normal healthy attitude to sex?

I have no view on whether it is “healthy”.

That’s their life and they are happy with it. I am not the arbiter of the “correct” way to have sex.

LittleCharlotte · 30/03/2025 21:38

You must have an opinion or some level of concern about your friend's life though.

JHound · 31/03/2025 10:50

LittleCharlotte · 30/03/2025 21:38

You must have an opinion or some level of concern about your friend's life though.

None. She’s a grown adult woman and is fully capable of making her own choices. Different people have different expectations for their relationships marriages and I don’t view there as being a “correct” way. As long as nobody is being harmed.

The only view I have is it is not for me…but that applies to a lot of relationship models I see around.

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