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I feel so betrayed and hurt by DH

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Namechange20002 · 25/03/2025 18:56

Have found out tonight that DH has been speaking to his female friend about our sex life, relationship issues, really intimate personal things. I just feel so betrayed, hurt and embarrassed, and I don’t know how to come back from this.

We have three young children and haven’t been having a great deal of sex or intimacy for some time. He’s shared all of this with her, even messaged her: “bought xxx a toy so that she can satisfy herself, this is in the hope that it will help her feel more in the right headspace/mood”

I feel such a deep level of embarrassment and betrayal, I’m such a private person. I would never in a million years share details of our sex life or marriage problems with friends, and I never thought he would have either. Ive honestly never felt betrayed like this, I just don’t know how to move on from this.

OP posts:
Reddog1 · 26/03/2025 14:41

I posted yesterday saying that they’re childhood friends who would’ve got together by now if there’d been good chemistry, and an inclination in both sides.

Your update (about her not flirting or engaging particularly) makes me even more convinced of this.

I just don’t think she’s his next girlfriend OP. As I said before, he’s acted poorly. But I still don’t think that they’re going to ride off into the sunset together. I’d honestly set her aside in your mind and focus on his unreasonable and disrespectful behaviour.

TheGentleOpalMember · 26/03/2025 14:58

Reddog1 · 26/03/2025 14:41

I posted yesterday saying that they’re childhood friends who would’ve got together by now if there’d been good chemistry, and an inclination in both sides.

Your update (about her not flirting or engaging particularly) makes me even more convinced of this.

I just don’t think she’s his next girlfriend OP. As I said before, he’s acted poorly. But I still don’t think that they’re going to ride off into the sunset together. I’d honestly set her aside in your mind and focus on his unreasonable and disrespectful behaviour.

I posted links earlier about friends who had been friends for many many years, and then started a relationship. It happens. The OP said: She split with her husband and got into a new relationship, which recently ended. Since then she has been leaning on DH to talk through her problems, keeps wanting to meet for a coffee etc, when me and DH rarely get the time to go for a coffee.

She's after him!

It's very obvious. A female would lean on her girlfriends, not a married man with 3 kids.... unless there was an ulterior motive.

sandyhappypeople · 26/03/2025 15:12

TheGentleOpalMember · 26/03/2025 14:58

I posted links earlier about friends who had been friends for many many years, and then started a relationship. It happens. The OP said: She split with her husband and got into a new relationship, which recently ended. Since then she has been leaning on DH to talk through her problems, keeps wanting to meet for a coffee etc, when me and DH rarely get the time to go for a coffee.

She's after him!

It's very obvious. A female would lean on her girlfriends, not a married man with 3 kids.... unless there was an ulterior motive.

I actually don't think that part is true..

Since then she has been leaning on DH to talk through her problems, keeps wanting to meet for a coffee etc, when me and DH rarely get the time to go for a coffee.

I think that is what he has TOLD op, and she probably believed it at the time (why wouldn't she?), but knowing everything she knows now, I think it is pretty obvious that it is him that is pushing for the meet ups for coffee/chats etc.

In the same way as he blames OP for their marital problems, he is blaming the OW for instigating these coffee dates.

TheHerboriste · 26/03/2025 15:22

sandyhappypeople · 26/03/2025 15:12

I actually don't think that part is true..

Since then she has been leaning on DH to talk through her problems, keeps wanting to meet for a coffee etc, when me and DH rarely get the time to go for a coffee.

I think that is what he has TOLD op, and she probably believed it at the time (why wouldn't she?), but knowing everything she knows now, I think it is pretty obvious that it is him that is pushing for the meet ups for coffee/chats etc.

In the same way as he blames OP for their marital problems, he is blaming the OW for instigating these coffee dates.

Exactly.

There's no proof she is pursuing him.

I have a friend who overshares re his bodily ailments. I don't want to hurt him but I don't want to encourage it, so I'll just reply with a 'hopeful' or 'good luck' emoji.That sounds like what the old friend is doing here; acknowledging his humanity because they've been friends for 25 years, but not really interested in his crass and tacky sex whining. Very few 40ish single women are interested in married men who are encumbered with three small children.

JHound · 26/03/2025 15:34

TheGentleOpalMember · 26/03/2025 14:58

I posted links earlier about friends who had been friends for many many years, and then started a relationship. It happens. The OP said: She split with her husband and got into a new relationship, which recently ended. Since then she has been leaning on DH to talk through her problems, keeps wanting to meet for a coffee etc, when me and DH rarely get the time to go for a coffee.

She's after him!

It's very obvious. A female would lean on her girlfriends, not a married man with 3 kids.... unless there was an ulterior motive.

You sound very immature.

A “female” (huge red flag) leans on her close friends irrespective of gender. Some of us, our closest friendships are with men and it is them we turn to for emotional support.

You are not all women so stop speaking on behalf of all of us.

TheGentleOpalMember · 26/03/2025 15:49

JHound · 26/03/2025 15:34

You sound very immature.

A “female” (huge red flag) leans on her close friends irrespective of gender. Some of us, our closest friendships are with men and it is them we turn to for emotional support.

You are not all women so stop speaking on behalf of all of us.

Edited

No you are the one that is immature, and naive.

What is a 'red flag' about saying female? Unless you're a misogynist.

Women lean on other women, not men. It is very, very inappropriate for a single woman to lean on a married man to the extent it is upsetting the wife, as it is in the OP. You sound incredibly young and lacking in life experience.

TheGentleOpalMember · 26/03/2025 15:52

sandyhappypeople · 26/03/2025 15:12

I actually don't think that part is true..

Since then she has been leaning on DH to talk through her problems, keeps wanting to meet for a coffee etc, when me and DH rarely get the time to go for a coffee.

I think that is what he has TOLD op, and she probably believed it at the time (why wouldn't she?), but knowing everything she knows now, I think it is pretty obvious that it is him that is pushing for the meet ups for coffee/chats etc.

In the same way as he blames OP for their marital problems, he is blaming the OW for instigating these coffee dates.

You know you may have a point here, but if it isn't her (and I think OP would have an inkling if it is or isn't her and she seems to think it is), then she should really know better than to agree to all these coffee dates with him and should be doing the right thing and saying no.

MsDogLady · 26/03/2025 16:00

@Namechange20002, how are you doing?

Is your H still being cold and dismissive?

SwingTheMonkey · 26/03/2025 16:40

I’m absolutely astounded that there are people who think sharing intimate details about someone else without their knowledge or consent is in any way ok.

DuckbilledSplatterPuff · 26/03/2025 16:56

NoviceVillager · 26/03/2025 13:41

Yeah I agree @DuckbilledSplatterPuffhence saying she’s potentially overreacting and that his video sounds gross. None of us have seen the messages ultimately. Maybe I should have just said I don’t think it’s wrong to talk to close friends about sex, it’s a massive part of the human experience.

I don't think she is over reacting. OP has quoted several of his messages and has been fair about the Friend's responses

SociableAtWork · 26/03/2025 17:23

WinterSun20 · 25/03/2025 19:15

It's a huge betrayal and also a huge red flag for trying to initiate an affair. The whole 'my wife doesn't understand me' tripe that so many men spout. Laying the foundation by making out he wants to 'help' the marriage and is 'trying everything' so that she pities him and he's painted as the hero making all the effort and you're the neglectful wife that just doesn't know how lucky she is. Such a cliche. Sorry this has happened to you. Not sure I could forgive it.

Pretty much sums it up perfectly.

I’m so sorry this has happened. It’s devastating when we find the one person we should be able to trust betrays us.

It doesn’t matter if he’d be ok with it (if the boot was on the other foot). What he’s done is completely unacceptable.

However, if you want the marriage to continue, I’m sure it could work out, but the next steps, epically his, are vital. This won’t just go away if it’s ignored/swept under the carpet. It will take a lot of work and commitment, possibly counselling, maybe him ending the friendship, and totally depends on whether you feel the marriage is truly worth all this.

B1anche · 26/03/2025 17:42

SwingTheMonkey · 26/03/2025 16:40

I’m absolutely astounded that there are people who think sharing intimate details about someone else without their knowledge or consent is in any way ok.

Yes, but I think these are all people who have a male friend who confides in them. I suspect they wouldn't be so OK with it if it was their husband sharing details with another woman.

godmum56 · 26/03/2025 19:32

SwingTheMonkey · 26/03/2025 16:40

I’m absolutely astounded that there are people who think sharing intimate details about someone else without their knowledge or consent is in any way ok.

me too! regardless of whether male or female. and involving the kids that's unforgiveable.

beAsensible1 · 27/03/2025 07:10

Epilepsystruggle · 26/03/2025 08:33

@Namechange20002 Honestly OP, please be careful taking advice and listening too much to Mumsnet.

It's all well and good the posters coming at your DH with pitchforks and encouraging you to leave him, but they don't have to deal with the very real life consequences of that. Especially as aside from this one incident you actually had a very happy marriage and family life.

In black and white, you'll end up a single mum of 3 young kids. Financially worse off, juggling a million plates on your own, your children devastated, you heartbroken. Maybe even having to move house or change work/hours.
Your husband loosing his entire family too.
Or maybe him even moving on quite quickly if he's a catch, leaving you in the trenches of single parenthood with small kids whilst he has lots of 'free time' to date and be happy (then unlikely to ever want to reconcile and come back).

And why? Because of some inappropriate messages sent to a female friend. It's not great no, it's very hurtful and embarrassing. But enough to put yourself and kids through turmoil, unending stress, financial ruin and single parenthood for the next 18 years or whatever? Nah.

Meanwhile all the posters telling you to end it have swanned off to the next thread from their comfy living rooms with a cup of tea.

Even telling you to kick him out for a few days. Okay, but who's then going to do the school runs, cook tea, sort the laundry, tidy the house, do bedtime routines etc. so he gets to go off and mope, evade everyday responsibilities and think about himself with free time, leaving you knackered in the trenches of everyday life, now managing it entirely alone and also devastated?

I'm not saying put up and shut up or accept poor behaviour. But it's easy to get caught up in the moment when your livid, not thinking clearly and you have a gang of online women behind you, cheering you on and awaiting updates for their entertainment. But this is your REAL life.
You'll even be discouraged by posters if you forgive him. If you post an update saying your working through things you'll often be met with 'id end it' 'he's lying' 'never trust him again' 'at least make him do xyz' 'but he wants an affair'.

Take onboard some advice applicable to you, but don't act on any of it until you've calmed down. Remember that everyone posting will not be dealing with any of the consequences of your real life decision.

Just something to remember xx

This

B1anche · 27/03/2025 07:14

beAsensible1 · 27/03/2025 07:10

This

Yes, keep ypur bar nice and low and you'll never be on your own. 🙄

Longsummerdays25 · 27/03/2025 07:52

It would be useful for those suggesting this isn’t too bad how on earth op continues an actual marriage and intimacy with a man that feels such contempt for her? What does that look like?

Have you stopped and considered the reason why things have been so difficult is precisely because on some level she knew things were not right between them.

Now she has had that confirmed, how does someone continue without completely selling themselves out?? She probably recoils at the thought of him now.

Namechange20002 · 27/03/2025 10:13

I can’t actually believe this is my life right now, it’s like I’m watching it from afar like a TV drama, it doesn’t feel real to me.

Yesterday was just an awful day. I kept thinking he’ll come and talk to me in a minute and apologise, but I waited and nothing. I eventually had to go to him. There was just zero emotion from him, his eyes were dead, his face looked irritated at having to talk about this, there was no remorse. He kept mumbling that he’s not good with words, he doesn’t know what to say etc. There was no heartfelt apology, no emotion at all.
He seemed to jump on any discussion of separating, like is it best for me to move out, is selling the house something you want to do. It was heart wrenching.

I asked what else he had been saying about me and us to her. He went back to early Feb in his phone (although I’m not naive to think it probably went back further). It started with detailed relaying of very specific arguments we’d had at that time. We used to sit on the sofa in the evening and watch TV while he rubbed my feet. He tells her, she always wants her feet rubbed, now a chore. She always wants her back rubbed when it hurts, now a chore. The friend jumps in constantly with, what is xxx doing for you, what are your needs. I’ve thought for a long time x and y etc.

He has then told her absolutely every detail of our sex life, talks about blowjobs and handjobs that he doesn’t get, how often we have sex, the exact time we last had sex.

He goes into detail of how much sex we had after each child, “we did it regularly when she was pregnant with DS1, loads of sex trying to get pregnant with DS2, then no sex during that pregnancy”, and it goes on.
So when I was only just pregnant with DS2 my mum was diagnosed with lung cancer. She passed away when I was 8 months pregnant. Of course he leaves out that piece of information, because why would it be relevant. Honestly writing this all down just makes me feel sick.

The messages between them continue and the overwhelming feeling I get from it is that he really hates me. At that same time in real life I’d even said to him, I constantly get the feeling from you that you don’t even like me. So it’s validating to see from those messages that I wasn’t wrong. He of course claimed at that time and now that it isn’t how he felt, but I don’t believe him.

He made half hearted claims that he doesn’t want us to separate, there was no real feeling there when he said that. I ended up sending him this thread, I said this is my thread, it’s up to you if you want to read it. He came in to me and said he read the first lot of posts and he realises how wrong he’s been. Sad that it takes a load of strangers on the internet to get him to realise that, when his own wife saying it illicits zero feelings.

I came downstairs after putting the kids to bed and he’d been reading through more of the thread. He said I feel sick at what I’ve done. I honestly don’t think he feels sick at his betrayal and what he’s done to me, I think he feels sick at the realisation that he’s not Mr nice guy, great husband. It’s pages and pages of people saying he’s a horrible person, he’s an arsehole, what a betrayal, what a nasty thing to do. I guarantee it that thats made him feel sick.

He then wanted to talk. At this point there did appear to be genuine emotion from him and a heartfelt apology. I’m finding it so hard though to reconcile that person and that apparent remorse with how he was earlier in the day. I asked him to read back to himself all the messages he’d sent her about us. He did that and said he feels even more sick now. He doesn’t know why he did it, or why he thought it was appropriate thing to do.

He said he will cut all contact with her, he wants to do counselling etc. So we will do the counselling. I don’t owe it to him, but I do owe it to my children.
There’s a post above asking how on earth I carry on an actual marriage and intimacy with this person, what does that look like. And this is the problem, how on earth do you come back from this. To me this is unforgivable, there’s no trust now.

OP posts:
Fancycheese · 27/03/2025 10:18

So sorry you’re going through this, it’s truly heartbreaking. But it’s positive he wants to go to counselling, you may be able to work through this together. It is a massive betrayal and hopefully a therapist can help you work through it.

MummyJ36 · 27/03/2025 10:28

Gosh what an update OP. This is a heartbreaking read, particularly as it’s gone on for such an extended period of time and during traumatic periods of your life like when your mother died. Absolutely horrendous.

You do not owe him anything. If he tries to twists this as you being in any way the problem then you need to remind him that he could have come and spoken to you about this at any stage or if he felt he couldn’t, he could have paid out of his own pocket to speak to a therapist and get it off his chest.

Id say counselling is the only way forward if you want to salvage your marriage.

jolies1 · 27/03/2025 10:35

What a horrible thing to happen, OP.

Do what you need to do. You don’t owe your horrid husband anything, but it’s your choice what you do.

Can completely understand how you will never feel the same, I would feel like that too.

Life is tough with young children. It’s even harder alone. You can do the counselling, try and work through it, but no one would judge you having one foot out of the door and getting your ducks in a row for when kids are a little easier and you feel ready to start again without him.

godmum56 · 27/03/2025 10:35

OP its up to you. You say you are going to do this because you owe it to your children. Be sure....be really sure that that is what is best for your children.

DesperateDenise · 27/03/2025 10:35

Oh OP your update is absolutely heart wrenching.

I honestly don't see how you could ever trust him again. It's a total betrayal of you and your marriage.

Saying he will cut contact with her is meaningless tbh. I wouldn't even trust him to do that anyway, he will just hide his communication with her. Or possibly find someone else to undermine you with.

I don't think.your relationship can recover.

What a total Judas he is.

PsychoHotSauce · 27/03/2025 10:47

Your update made me so sad. The positive thing is you don't have to make any snap decisions. I think deep down you know the betrayal is too great to be fixed, and that no amount of counselling will change that he did it in the first place. I'd place a hefty bet that any cutting of contact with her would be temporary. It will only be a matter of time before he starts it up again (even if it's a long time), and you will get the blame for something you did and he just had to turn to her for support.

The 'emotion' only coming out once he realised that strangers on the internet have seen right through his nice guy act is something you should always remember. It reminded me of a dog that's been caught after shredding the sofa or going through the kitchen bin. That look on the dog's face seems guilty, but they don't feel actual guilt. That's the 'shit, I'm busted' face. I imagine your DH is feeling the same feelings but is portraying them as guilt/sadness/remorse instead.

Longsummerdays25 · 27/03/2025 10:53

I feel genuinely choked reading your update and have tears in my eyes. Your heartbreak is so evident throughout your post. You thought you had a good ‘un, a decent man that loved you and your children. And it has been revealed that he isn’t who you thought he was.

He sounds obsessed with sex and his own needs, over and above all else. No wonder you are so put off. Losing your mother whilst pregnant is huge and must have been devastating. I can’t imagine then delivering your child a month later. The exhaustion of a newborn and the raw grief. NO ONE would be up to sex in this scenario. You needed holding, comforting, love and support. Not handjobs and pressure.

I am just so sorry op.
You deserve so much more, even for your courage to get through all of this, only to find this out.

I hope you have some real life support.

I don’t know how you move forward, that is not for you to think about. Your dh needs to really reflect on how it came to be that he mistreated the mother of his babies and his wife of many years so badly. That he allowed the outside world a front row seat on the most intimate area of your life, that his crass betrayal may have cost him his entire family and future.

You should be his number one.
You can not settle for anything else.

Whatever comes of this matter, if he really can not make amends, repair this deep fracture, and become the man you married then you really would be better off free of this pain. Take your time to decide. You sound like a wonderful person op. I am sorry this has happened to you and your lovely children, it sounds horrendous. 💐💐

AmandaHoldensLips · 27/03/2025 11:08

Some men take a very long time to grow up. Ade Edmonson said it was usually at the point when the wife has packed the children up in the car and is about to leave. He's not wrong.

Your DH has crushed your heart and that's going to take a lot of fixing.

He needs to grow up and take full responsibility for being a complete arsehole. Then he needs to mend his ways and start behaving like the man he wants to be - which is hopefully a good father, husband and friend.

Couple counselling may well help him learn how to communicate like an adult, rather than "I don't know what to say" which just isn't good enough.

A successful marriage is about teamwork, respect, and having each other's backs. It's also a very long road and, if you put the work in, can be the best thing ever. All marriages have their rocky patches.

Time will tell if you're both in it for the long haul.