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To think that the UK might avoid US for holidays moving forwards

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PeeJamas · 25/03/2025 11:27

As per title really,

AIBU to think that the UK will avoid USA for holidays moving forwards?

  1. You are being unreasonable suggesting this
  2. You are not being unreasonable suggesting this. 😆
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MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2025 14:03

It is curious to me how many posters who would definitely definitely still go are Name12345. I'd love to go and have a look how many are regular posters and how many are 'new posters'. It is one step up from User12345, but only just.

Not talking about you @Parker231 LOL, I know you.

dizzydizzydizzy · 28/03/2025 14:38

I'd think twice before booking another trip.

croydon15 · 28/03/2025 15:26

Anotherparkingthread · 28/03/2025 13:05

I'm not sure you read my response. It is easy to claim trump / guns / disagreement with policy are the reason when in truth the reasons are financial. More people are facing higher cost of living and do not like to admit they can no longer afford things that they once could. To save face, putting a political spin on why you won't be travelling is seen by some as far less embarrassing than admittimg that they are having to make financial cutbacks and no longer have the disposable income to make such trips. For a lot of families this won't be 'they can't afford to go' in the sense that they cannot financially cover the cost of the flights accomodation etc, but rather that the money is now needed elseware and other costs have had to take priority. It is not considered a financially sound idea to blow thousands of pounds on USA trips in the current economic climate, unless you have absolutely no financial concerns.

It's not a financial reason but for the principle l will not go to the USA.

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2025 16:34

Anotherparkingthread · 28/03/2025 13:05

I'm not sure you read my response. It is easy to claim trump / guns / disagreement with policy are the reason when in truth the reasons are financial. More people are facing higher cost of living and do not like to admit they can no longer afford things that they once could. To save face, putting a political spin on why you won't be travelling is seen by some as far less embarrassing than admittimg that they are having to make financial cutbacks and no longer have the disposable income to make such trips. For a lot of families this won't be 'they can't afford to go' in the sense that they cannot financially cover the cost of the flights accomodation etc, but rather that the money is now needed elseware and other costs have had to take priority. It is not considered a financially sound idea to blow thousands of pounds on USA trips in the current economic climate, unless you have absolutely no financial concerns.

It’s wildly arrogant to decide you know better than other people why they are doing something.

For the record in was last in the US a year ago. We have family there. I will be having a nice holiday this year and a very nice holiday next year and will be avoiding the US. We’ve asked the family over, they are desperate to avoid Trump too!

Anotherparkingthread · 28/03/2025 16:58

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2025 16:34

It’s wildly arrogant to decide you know better than other people why they are doing something.

For the record in was last in the US a year ago. We have family there. I will be having a nice holiday this year and a very nice holiday next year and will be avoiding the US. We’ve asked the family over, they are desperate to avoid Trump too!

It's also wildly arrogant to think that your one anecdotal tale about yourself is representative of every other person.

I will say it again, people don't stop doing things they enjoy for the benefit of others.

A lot of people so desperately want trump to be the reason that other people aren't going to holiday in America that they are willing to believe anything and even convince themselves. Wanting something to be true and it being true are very different.

MrsTerryPratchett · 28/03/2025 17:20

And every other person on this thread who has said they are avoiding.

And people do stop doing things they enjoy for moral reasons. Mean-spirited cynicism isn’t the only choice.

Anotherparkingthread · 28/03/2025 17:36

Well when the flights are still packed and the hotels still full, I'll be sure to remember the moral persuasion and actions of every other person on this thread being absolute fact, not just feather spitting from people who don't like a countries politics.

Parker231 · 28/03/2025 17:37

Anotherparkingthread · 28/03/2025 17:36

Well when the flights are still packed and the hotels still full, I'll be sure to remember the moral persuasion and actions of every other person on this thread being absolute fact, not just feather spitting from people who don't like a countries politics.

Flights between Canada and the US are down 70% and numbers crossing at the border down to Covid levels.

BigDecisionWorthIt · 28/03/2025 18:51

alittleprivacy · 28/03/2025 13:25

I have no immediate plans but suspect that I will be visiting in the next couple of years. All of the scaremongering about tourists being detained is just that. With the exception of the German man, Lucas Sielaff, every single detained and deported tourist and visa holder who has been all over the news, was in violation of the terms of the waiver programme or their visa. And Sielaff was detained because he made a mistake and gave the wrong information to the border guard. It was very unfortunate for him but if you tell the border guard that you are doing something that's illegal, it's not surprising that they will treat you like you are doing something illegal.

If you look at the advisory warnings that have been put out by the UK, Germany, etc, about travel to the US all they warn is to make sure you are travelling within the law and have your documentation. It's good advice. When you cross a border, you should be 100% sure that you have everything in order, you should know exactly what you are permitted to do in the country you are a guest in. And you should have practiced your answers to expected questions, especially if they will be asked in a language you are less familiar with. It's common sense.

Agreed. I have said this a lot. The media have an agenda and they are revelling in the fear and panic they are causing.

The Sielaff one is interesting as unfortunately his problem is the by-product of issues caused by the Biden Administration.
With Sielaff, he was also accused by the US of having the intention of overstaying and doing the "Esta overstay, quick AoS approval" trick is rife and increased dramatically under the Biden Administration. It's a way of beating the system as under Biden, USCIS reduced the priority of Consular Processing. Esta overstay/AoS application was seeing approvals within 3-4 months. Whilst consular processing increased to 16.5-17 months for initial approval and another 5-14 months after that for the Nvc/Embassy stage (Embassy dependant). That's almost 2 years + of being apart from your spouse/parent/child.
Being brutally honest, the tears/frustration I've had from not doing the same trick has been real.

The problem is, the minute there is suspicion that there could be intention to overstay, then it's seen as "guilty until you can strongly show your innocence".

Even travelling under Biden, I made sure I had print outs of my return ticket, print out of my annual leave and when it ends, copies of UK commitments and work contract etc to ensure I had strong evidence/ties to the UK and proof that I wouldn't overstay when I travelled to see DP.

sleepwouldbenice · 28/03/2025 20:03

Anotherparkingthread · 28/03/2025 17:36

Well when the flights are still packed and the hotels still full, I'll be sure to remember the moral persuasion and actions of every other person on this thread being absolute fact, not just feather spitting from people who don't like a countries politics.

Doesn’t seem to matter how many people say they aren’t going because of trump, you just state that’s not the true reason, flights are full etc. it’s getting boring now

Parker231 · 28/03/2025 21:12

sleepwouldbenice · 28/03/2025 20:03

Doesn’t seem to matter how many people say they aren’t going because of trump, you just state that’s not the true reason, flights are full etc. it’s getting boring now

https://fortune.com/2025/03/27/us-canada-airline-bookings-plunge/

Fewer and fewer people are traveling between the U.S. and Canada: Flight bookings between the two countries are 70% lower than they were a year ago

Travelers stay home as tensions rise.

https://fortune.com/2025/03/27/us-canada-airline-bookings-plunge/

LittleJoeyJoJo · 29/03/2025 07:14

We were planning on going to Florida to do the theme parks in October, decided to book Japan instead (they have Disney, Disney sea and universal). Not sure what’s going to happen, but don’t want to risk any issues, especially if bringing kids

RufustheFactuaIReindeer · 29/03/2025 07:18

I will say it again, people don't stop doing things they enjoy for the benefit of others.

of course some people do

We were in florida last year and we are going to another part of the USA this year, but mainly because it was booked before the election and has cost too much money to lose, we won’t be going back for quite some time

dh and i are also going to japan next year, and disney is definitely on our list

StandFirm · 29/03/2025 09:34

BigDecisionWorthIt · 25/03/2025 11:50

If you are a law abiding tourist who hasn't misrepresented their Esta (drugs etc), has no intention to illegally work or overstay and adjust status or if you are a law abiding lpr then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

The media are revelling in the opportunity to cause fear and panic by omitting key details.

All of the cases to make mainstream media have had underlying issues (criminal, drugs, terrorism, unauthorised work, incorrect visa) that was in violation of section 8 of the INA and would make them inadmissible or deportable regardless of what president is in charge.

I have travelled extensively under Obama terms 1 and 2, Trump 1 and Biden. The worst experience I had was under Obama 1. Pulled straight after going through CBP and was questioned pretty strongly and had my suitcase emptied and gone through. Only thing of note I had in there was tea bags.
Ironically my best experience was through Trump 1. Slight paperwork mix up but sorted easily and let through without any bother.

I've been travelling to the US for the last 30 years. That's under many different administrations. I can tell you Trump 1 and Trump 2 are like day and night.

Oncewornballgown · 29/03/2025 11:15

I can afford to go and have travelled to the US pretty regularly. I love it and it is a beautiful country, however I won’t be going by choice now. Like many commenting, I have friends and relatives there. They are horrified by the current situation. Unless there is an emergency I won’t travel there with Trump/Vance running the country.

MrsSkylerWhite · 29/03/2025 11:17

Having been once, held no attraction for me prior to the lunatics in the Whitehouse.
Certainly doesn’t now.

QuizzlyBears · 29/03/2025 11:23

I am a greencard holder and entered into a red state yesterday from the UK with zero issues at immigration. I have family here and will continue to visit for them as they can’t travel.

Daisy54 · 29/03/2025 11:58

Ihavehadenoughalready · 25/03/2025 14:07

As an American, I would not recommend anyone coming here for fear that you could be held and interrogated at great length at the border. And I am being entirely serious.

We are no longer a normal sane country.

I was planning to visit family in Florida, however, I am no longer, due to comments , similar to those above, made by actual Americans.

BigDecisionWorthIt · 29/03/2025 13:32

StandFirm · 29/03/2025 09:34

I've been travelling to the US for the last 30 years. That's under many different administrations. I can tell you Trump 1 and Trump 2 are like day and night.

I am yet to travel under Trump 2 and a little intrigued to see what it will be like.
Although tbf, my first travel under Trump 2 will be using/"activating" my Green Card for the first time.

However, I know plenty from the group I'm in where it's been smooth/easy. The longest bit had been one where they had a trainee.

Dmsandfloatydress · 29/03/2025 21:04

I was going to go to Yellowstone to celebrate a milestone birthday. Would have dropped alot of money too. Mixed race family. Not a chance in hell I'm going now. Canada, here we come!

SmoothEncounter · 30/03/2025 00:19

Anotherparkingthread · 27/03/2025 21:16

I think the majority of people who are the first to shout 'I’d never visit the USA while trump is in charge/it's so sexist/awful/dangerous/full of guns etc are also not people who have or would ever visit the USA.

Partner works there a few times a year and it won't stop any time soon, nothing will really change.

Well I will disprove your notion as a sample of one. I’ve been to the States about 6 times, half n half for holiday and for work.
I did not visit during Trump round 1, went once during Biden (work trip which I extended into a holiday and spent a lot with small local businesses as I travelled) and am now refusing to go during Trump 2. I don’t feel safe to go and won’t support in any way not even my tourist dollars

Anotherparkingthread · 30/03/2025 02:05

SmoothEncounter · 30/03/2025 00:19

Well I will disprove your notion as a sample of one. I’ve been to the States about 6 times, half n half for holiday and for work.
I did not visit during Trump round 1, went once during Biden (work trip which I extended into a holiday and spent a lot with small local businesses as I travelled) and am now refusing to go during Trump 2. I don’t feel safe to go and won’t support in any way not even my tourist dollars

I said the majority. You offered me an anecdote.

A few people sent some articles about Canadian airlines having less passengers. I am not talking about Canada.

Nobody I know from the UK is going to not go if they were intending to go anyway, except those who can no longer afford to.

People visit countries with policy, government, even laws, that they don't agree with, all the time. It won't change.

DdraigGoch · 30/03/2025 03:18

Anotherparkingthread · 30/03/2025 02:05

I said the majority. You offered me an anecdote.

A few people sent some articles about Canadian airlines having less passengers. I am not talking about Canada.

Nobody I know from the UK is going to not go if they were intending to go anyway, except those who can no longer afford to.

People visit countries with policy, government, even laws, that they don't agree with, all the time. It won't change.

So your anecdote is proof of a majority then? Whereas the PP's anecdote is inadmissable?

For the record I was planning to go next year. Not now. And no, it's got nothing to do with money. Quite why you think that people want to "save face" on an anonymous forum is beyond me.

TankFlyBossW4lk · 30/03/2025 07:29

BigDecisionWorthIt · 25/03/2025 11:50

If you are a law abiding tourist who hasn't misrepresented their Esta (drugs etc), has no intention to illegally work or overstay and adjust status or if you are a law abiding lpr then you have absolutely nothing to worry about.

The media are revelling in the opportunity to cause fear and panic by omitting key details.

All of the cases to make mainstream media have had underlying issues (criminal, drugs, terrorism, unauthorised work, incorrect visa) that was in violation of section 8 of the INA and would make them inadmissible or deportable regardless of what president is in charge.

I have travelled extensively under Obama terms 1 and 2, Trump 1 and Biden. The worst experience I had was under Obama 1. Pulled straight after going through CBP and was questioned pretty strongly and had my suitcase emptied and gone through. Only thing of note I had in there was tea bags.
Ironically my best experience was through Trump 1. Slight paperwork mix up but sorted easily and let through without any bother.

Ironic Indeed

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