To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen for ober

[ThisNattyTurtle]

Israel killed more children in 15 months than were killed in all the conflicts of the world in the last 4 years combined. Israel is killing children again now at an unprecedented rate and the UK is supporting it with weapons, money and intelligence.
Israel is committing genocide according to the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel killed 159 Palestinians, including children, during the ceasefire - only 1 Israeli was killed in that time and that was a soldier in a friendly fire event.

Mumsnet HQ there are at least 3 threads about Ukraine still on AIBU, and many other political ones. Please do not hide this topic away in the other section again without at least explaining why UK involvement in the mass slaughter of children is not worthy of the front page. We are supporting a regime much worse than Russia, as much as Russia's regime is awful.

Sorry for your ignorance. Terrorism is coming and murdering babies, women and children, taking hostages. Had they not done that on October 7 2023 this current situation would not have happened. Simple as that.

Huh? We can't really disagree on a fact. The fact still stands, you're just wrong.

Watch the testimonies from Israeli citizens who were going about their lives and then violently kidnapped. They were not treated well by the average Palestinians. The majority of Palestinians support Hamas, a terrorist organisation. They do not want Israel to exist.

I think you’re blindly supporting the “underdog” without a clue on the situation.

The Palestinians have agency - all nations do. If they don’t want war and if they don’t want their government to invade neighbours and kill, torture and kidnap innocent civilians (including young children, may I add - some of whom were kidnapped having witnessed their parent/s being murdered), then they need to stand up.

War is inevitable against terrorists. And unfortunately, children get caught up in it. It’s awful and I wish they could be removed from it - but that doesn’t negate the need to exterminate Hamas and the only way of doing that is through war.

And this explains the illegal occupation and violent terrorist settlers in the rest of the Palestinian territories how? What does that have to do with Oct 7?

No idea what this YouTube video is. Not even going to look at it. Instead maybe you should look at the videos hammas videoed themselves revelling in the burning alive of babies and children only because they were Jewish.

i am curious what you would do if your home - just yours- was attacked and your whole family killed for fun. Would you just accept it? Take it to a personal level and actually think about what it would be like for you and how you would respond. I’m sure you’d be asking for justice! And rightly so!

Righto - and why would Israel trust Egypt in this situation?

Stop quoting idiot Trump, as if anyone here thinks his ideas are in any way ethical or aspirational.

I don’t disagree that the killing of children is awful. Where you and I differ, is I’m thinking about solutions, you’re just ideological. Against war but not practical solution to stop terrorists from invading, murdering and kidnapping civilians.

And I totally disagree. YOU ARE WRONG!

Give over.

Right so you'll support Israel in doing anything illegal then. I'm not quite sure you're in any position to condemn any violence from Hamas if you'll accept any behaviour from Israel. What happened on Oct 7th was terrible, but if you don't have an issue with breaking the law how can you condemn it?

The current conflict is completely bound up in October 7 actions and monstrous hammas actions.
it really is that simple. Get a grip and see the reality

Give over on which bit? Use your words.

If so, why wouldn't Israel obey the court order to withdraw from the other territories and then all the claim of Israels right to self defense would have some legal standing and we wouldn't be here arguing about it.

Sorry for your ignorance. Palestinians have been killed , raped and tortured and put in prisons with 0 reasons for years. Had 7-oct not happened the war wouldn’t be happening but let’s not pretend they’d be living peacefully happily ever after

I haven’t seen you condemn the terrorists in starting the conflict by invading and attacking Israel.

Will you?

Or is it ok for Israelis to die, but not Palestinians?

@BooomShakeTheRoom - for many of the people on this thread it’s got nothing to do with finding actual real life solutions to a horrific solution. It’s about using a tragic situation to make themselves feel good about themselves - they are trying (badly) to make it seem like you are saying that you support killing babies….and they are wonderful people because they think killing babies is bad…

@EasterIssland no ones talking about the full history of Israel and Gaza.

We’re talking about the current war. Derailing doesn’t help.

You might not agree with trumps plan. Israel’s government does

This thread is about 150 children being killed in a single night.talk about derailment

Agree @EasterIssland
This is a quote from Irish surgeon Dr Monagle in Gaza about the hospital bombed two nights ago.

"We have been up all night last night, operating on those injured by the latest bombings,” he said. “During the night two children, approximately aged five were pronounced dead on arrival.
“We had one 10-year-old boy who was hit by a severe blast. He suffered a head injury, an abdominal injury and had severe orthapedic and vascular injury to his lower limbs.
“Another injury was a 12-year-old-girl who had multiple gunshot wounds inflicted by shots fired at her from an Israeli Apache Helicopter. She suffered severe injuries to both legs and arms.
“We worked on her until 3am doing vascular repair and external fixation. She will most likely lose both legs and one arm. Her parents' status is unknown. They were trying to run from the helicopter.”

Shot at from a helicopter. Sounds to me like targeting children.

Its absolutely shocking this is allowed to continue.

Someone said this: The majority of Palestinians support Hamas, a terrorist organisation. They do not want Israel to exist way back at the beginning of this thread.

where is the evidence for that? I’d be genuinely interested to know.

The Palestinians have agency - do they? They live in occupied territories, there hasn’t been an election since 2006, there is currently a blockade on food/aid. How can anyone effect change in these conditions?

I’d argue thinking killing babies is bad is the absolute baseline for humanity isn’t it? I don’t think anyone here arguing against the killing of babies thinks they’re a wonderful person for thinking that. But I certainly think anyone arguing that killing babies is just par for the course, is a terrible person.

Why didn’t they just give back the hostages - or not take them in the first place?

Bullshit propaganda

Wow. Most people feel kindness and compassion for children. That’s a completely normal feeling.

Most people feel a huge sense of protection of children no matter who they are or where they live.

People don’t feel like wonderful people for thinking killing children is bad. Many of us just feel shocked that anyone, particularly here on a parenting site, could support children being killed.