To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen for ober

[ThisNattyTurtle]

Israel killed more children in 15 months than were killed in all the conflicts of the world in the last 4 years combined. Israel is killing children again now at an unprecedented rate and the UK is supporting it with weapons, money and intelligence.
Israel is committing genocide according to the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel killed 159 Palestinians, including children, during the ceasefire - only 1 Israeli was killed in that time and that was a soldier in a friendly fire event.

Mumsnet HQ there are at least 3 threads about Ukraine still on AIBU, and many other political ones. Please do not hide this topic away in the other section again without at least explaining why UK involvement in the mass slaughter of children is not worthy of the front page. We are supporting a regime much worse than Russia, as much as Russia's regime is awful.

Through the use of intelligence to root out hamas top officials and through diplomatic channels involving other countries as mediators. Israel has one of the worlds best intelligence agencies. They knew where many of top hamas were located, some of whom were abroad and not even in gaza. There is no way they needed to flatten Gaza and indiscriminately kill.

Israel's intelligence agency is so good they were able to strategically target and take out multiple journalists, scientists and academics between October 2023 and January 2024. Why did they do this? To silence and prevent news getting out of what was happening.

Why have international journalists not be allowed into Gaza since October 2023??? Despite multiple attempts? Same reason.

There is no illegal occupation. Full stop.

The UN disagree with you.

Yes, and not just the UN but the ICJ- the highest court in the world have ruled that the occupation is illegal several times. Keep in mind every time this court ruled the occupation was illegal it had a Chief Justice from Israel on the panel.

The legal judgements and orders from them to withdraw disagree with you

Thousands of Gazans have been in the streets protesting against Hamas and begging for the war to end.
https://inews.co.uk/news/world/gaza-hamas-out-protests-historic-3606770

ofc, western media has minimised it down to only hundreds of protesters..

I wonder if people still think there are no innocents in Gaza?

The ICJ disagrees. Are you a specialist in international law?

Well you sound like a cold hearted lump of stone, so I can’t imagine there’s much point in us conversing because we won’t share any of the same values and morals, which means we won’t come to any sort of consensus.

I dont want war, civilian casualties, bombed buildings or anything else. I don’t want a world where we haven’t evolved enough that people still think we should accept these one of those things. These dead civilians had lives, hopes, dreams and families. They were people as real as us.

Well you can believe what you want. As will others. Children most definitely were targeted in the October attack - what do you suppose Israel does? Stop the war and accept the continued threat?

What about the Israeli families who were murdered or kidnapped? How does that feature in your analysis? Or is that ok?

Do you think Hamas (terrorists) will stop terror voluntarily? That’s just naive, sorry. Very easy to say that from a distance but if it was your community and your family, you’d want Hamas exterminated.

Through the use of intelligence to root out hamas top officials and through diplomatic channels involving other countries as mediators. Israel has one of the worlds best intelligence agencies. They knew where many of top hamas were located, some of whom were abroad and not even in gaza. There is no way they needed to flatten Gaza and indiscriminately kill.

That doesn't get rid of the infrastructure or the rest of the fighters though.

Plus the senior leadership in Qatar was untouchable, although hopefully they can be targeted now that they've left.

Everybody wants Hamas exterminated.
not everyone justifies the killing of innocent civilians.

How is killing 150 children in a single night then going to get rid of the senior leadership if they’re in Qatar?

What’s your approach then? Talks? Pointless.

And no. Not everyone wants them exterminated! Ask around at the Palestinian protests!

Killing innocent civilians seems to be working well …

So children just happen coincidentally to make up the largest group of deaths? That's so weird if they're definitely not being targeted.

So many Israel defenders asking "what should Israel do?" When people are asking for the bare minimum of them acting within international law.

Genuinely where is the line for you? What could Israel not do justifiably? Do you have a limit to what illegal acts they can do in the name of elimating the threat? Perhaps instead of continually asking people what Israel should do, we should know if there is anything you wouldn't accept otherwise you're not asking in good faith.

cindyhove · Today 16:19
"There is no illegal occupation. Full stop."

Pathetic comment.

of course it’s not ok for Israeli families to be murdered. How can anything I have said possibly suggest to you that I would think that?

I’ve repeated on multiple comments that I think Hamas have committed disgusting atrocities.

I DO NOT WANT CIVILIANS MURDERED…. is that clearer?

I do think Hamas should be exterminated. I’ve never said otherwise. Palestinian civilians however are not Hamas.

Also, in the way you suggest Israeli victims must want this extermination of the people responsible for their families murders…the same surely applies to Palestinians? They are watching their family members annihilated daily. Do you not think this is likely to push them into seeking retribution against Israel!?

I think a more appropriate and useful question would be, what should the Palestinian civilians be demanding from their government?

Hamas cannot continue. If you have a master plan that involves no violence, do share.

Equally if you have a way of conducting war with terrorists that involves avoiding half of the population (children), again, do share.

Egypt has got a master plan to get rid of Hamas and rebuild Gaza. Israel is against it and they prefer that Palestinians abandon their land so we can have the trump riviera.

No it wouldn't because you haven't proven any good faith. Surely it's obvious if posters want proper to behave within international law that applies to both Hamas and Israel, no? Also, calling Hamas "their government" when half the population are children and their last election was 2006, why exactly are you going to assume Palestinian have any way to make demands of Hamas? Why are you putting so much agency on Palestinians who have no agency (and you know that) when no one here is blaming the Israelis who voted much more recently for their war criminal government for their actions. By your logic, should we be?

So once again, what could Israel not do? Or shall we take no answer as you have no limit?

I don’t give a what the ICJ says. They are an anti israel organisation. And suppose I am an international lawyer???

so have you never had a disagreement with anyone about anything????

And??