To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen for ober

[ThisNattyTurtle]

Israel killed more children in 15 months than were killed in all the conflicts of the world in the last 4 years combined. Israel is killing children again now at an unprecedented rate and the UK is supporting it with weapons, money and intelligence.
Israel is committing genocide according to the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel killed 159 Palestinians, including children, during the ceasefire - only 1 Israeli was killed in that time and that was a soldier in a friendly fire event.

Mumsnet HQ there are at least 3 threads about Ukraine still on AIBU, and many other political ones. Please do not hide this topic away in the other section again without at least explaining why UK involvement in the mass slaughter of children is not worthy of the front page. We are supporting a regime much worse than Russia, as much as Russia's regime is awful.

Well, upon that we probably agree. Though what can be done about Hamas I am not sure.

I wish I knew the answer to that. My concern is that the treatment of the civilian population by Israel is likely to radicalise more and more young Gazans to support Hamas's cause and make it harder for a conclusion ever to be reached.

Damm children they’re on the way

btw international doctors that have been Gaza would disagree with you that Israel isn’t targeting children. I’m sorry if i believe these doctors over you

Yes, probably overkill. No not-idiotic person believes the earth is flat (unless they are living on the Discworld or possibly Middle Earth).😃

There are multiple reports from doctors (including British doctors) of children with single bullet wounds to heads and chests. These are undoubtedly targeted.

But aside from that, carpet bombing areas where civilians reside, is as good as directly targeting them, regardless of whether they are being prevented from moving.

If terrorists were hiding in central London, we wouldn't bomb indiscriminately in the pursuit of justice against terrorism.

Hamas are not a legitimate government, most Gazans weren’t born when they last held elections. Israel are the ones forming a blockade, blocking the children in and then shooting them like fish in a barrel. Also it has been well documented that whenever Israel say to civilians to move to a “safe zone” they then bomb that zone!

But Israel is not. They are bombing residential areas which they believe (with some justification) Hamas is hiding in. Hamas should stop using women and children (and hostages) as human shields. What anyone sees on the ground is subjective, of course.

Again. Apologies if I trust international doctors that have seen with their eyes that children are being targeted (&killed) in Gaza. I still find repulsive that on a thread about 150 children being killed in a single night you bring the name of a British teenager that joined the ISIS. Both scenarios are completely different.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war

Actually in the UK it is innocence until proven guilty - the burden of proof is on the person making the accusation or we could anyone of a crime without evidence!

This is actually a war crime! You can not bomb large residential areas to try and get one person. I also believe it is false, the Israelis just want to kill and drive out all Palestinians.

They don’t carpet bomb. They identify the building. With a precision strike on one person, there is no warning.
When they want the building down, they ‘knock’ on the roof with a couple of non-explosive shells. Then some time later drop a bunker buster to bring it down. There is enough time to evacuate.

You really are sitting here on a public forum defending the killing of thousands of children.

’the children are in the way’. The children have nowhere to go!! Every time they move to a ‘safe’ place they get bombed BY ISRAEL. It absolutely not ‘accidentally’ killing children. How does them ‘being in the way of bombs’ explain cutting off aid and food supplies? Killing health care workers and journalists?

With Israel’s military why do they need to indiscriminately bomb? Why can’t they use their intelligence and SAS? It’s pretty clear they could retrieve the hostages without massacring the entire population but their goal is to retrieve “their” land.

Yes I presume they think the tens of thousands of dead civilians (mostly women and children), deserved to die because they must have been terrorists. Amazing what will people will tell themselves to justify Israel's war crimes.

Last Tuesday’s attacks in Khan Younis, Rafah, Gaza City & Deir el-Balah were absolutely carpet bombing. No warnings issued. Bombs raining down in the middle of the night. One of (if not THE) deadliest night in Gaza since the war began.

And even if they had issued warnings, there is literally nowhere left to go - we're talking about families who have been displaced multiple times already in some cases.

You absolutely cannot kill this many people in search of a target and as I've said multiple times, you wouldn't find this approach in any other place in the world.

Genuinely I’ve seen comments on social media saying exactly this - that they are ‘all terrorists’.

The regular Palestinians just want to live, love, see their kids grow up!

Even the ones who voted Hamas into power 20 years ago, when Hamas's founding charter called for the murder of all Jews? (Note, not even "all Israelis" - specifically Jews.)

What if your Mum had been openly Jewish - would she have received the same welcome, either in Gaza or in any of the other Arab countries? (You know, the countries that drove out many hundreds of thousands of Jews whose families had lived there for centuries, those Jews who just had to leave their belongings and travel with their families elsewhere to make a new life for themselves, and don’t claim a perpetual "right of return" for their descendants.)

You agree that there are bigoted extremists on both sides, but they are the only ones you mention when speaking of Israel, a country with a 20% Arab population. Funny, that.

@2024onwardsandup We have seen for ourselves who is lying and who is telling the truth and it certainly isn't Israel.

"Retaliation"?? Planned for years? "Retaliation" against youngsters at a music festival and kibbutz-dwellers who were mainly Palestinian-sympathising "peaceniks"? What had they all done to deserve "retaliation"?

I suggest you read the Roberts Report, which details the appalling facts. You can find a download on this site. https://www.7octparliamentarycommission.co.uk/

I warn you, though, you need a strong stomach. It made me feel sick just reading some of the summary of the close-up, planned, targeted torture.

And hearing it justified as "retaliation", even if you also condemn Hamas, makes me feel sick too.

Those that voted for Hamas is estimated to be around 7% of Palestinians alive today.

Even if they voted for Hamas 19 years ago, we have no idea if they still support Hamas. Regardless, civilians must be protected in war. If they aren't active members of a terrorist group, they aren't a legitimate target.

Read @HellsBalls reply. They are not targetting whole areas but specific buildings.

October 7th was a disgusting attack by a terrorist group. It wasn't a standalone event, there have clearly been tensions (to put it VERY mildly) between Israel & Hamas prior to that date. The background doesn't make the attack excusable but it provides context.

No Jewish civilians should have been harmed. In the same way no Palestinian civilians should be harmed now.

That report contains horrific details. Reports on Palestinian suffering since October 7th contain horrific details. The difference? One atrocity was committed by a proscribed terror organisation, the other committed by a sovereign nation.

I have read some of the report (could not get link to paste in here for some reason) and it made me feel sick, too.
That people can justify Hamas' actions on 7th October turns my stomach. I admit (and am ashamed of it) I took some convincing of what Hamas had done, but the evidence is incontrovertible and my late DH (who was at first a sceptic being pro-Palestinian) agreed with me. To continue to believe that Oct 7th was justifiable retaliation (and was not as awful as it is reported to have been) is to be wilfully blind to the truth.

In some cases they have targeted buildings. In lots of other evidence cases they haven't. The attacks last Tuesday were large and indiscrimiate.

And I'm still yet to see anyone reply with whether they'd be happy if the UK government dealt with terrorist threats by dropping bombs on residential areas in London or Manchester for example in search of specific targets?

We don't have state supported and embedded terrorist local government in the UK. We do know about home-grown terrorists though, and no we did not bomb Belfast into smithereens to hunt out the various murderous groups of the IRA. But we are not Israel, surrounded by people who mostly hate us, and in daily receipt of small bombs that mostly get shot down, from a governement in Gaza that includes as its policy the anihilation of Jews and whose schools teach that same policy to children.
Specific targets are being hit. The genocide of 7th Oct 23 was vicious and deliberately targeted innocent civilians.