To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen for ober

[ThisNattyTurtle]

Israel killed more children in 15 months than were killed in all the conflicts of the world in the last 4 years combined. Israel is killing children again now at an unprecedented rate and the UK is supporting it with weapons, money and intelligence.
Israel is committing genocide according to the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel killed 159 Palestinians, including children, during the ceasefire - only 1 Israeli was killed in that time and that was a soldier in a friendly fire event.

Mumsnet HQ there are at least 3 threads about Ukraine still on AIBU, and many other political ones. Please do not hide this topic away in the other section again without at least explaining why UK involvement in the mass slaughter of children is not worthy of the front page. We are supporting a regime much worse than Russia, as much as Russia's regime is awful.

@2024onwardsandup @ImpartialObserver

Great posts.

"Useful idiots" and "purity test virtue signal" describe perfectly and sum up absolutely the people supporting Hamas - and yes, of course they are giving support to and bolstering Hamas even if they deny it and say they are just supporting the poor Gazans. Do they really think Hamas has not benefited from all the "Free Palestine" marches (which started before Israel had even responded to the October 7th atrocities in any way)?

The irony of supposedly liberal people, especially women, performatively supporting, and ensuring the continuation of, the repressive, homophobic, misogynistic regime in Gaza is amazing, but lost on them.

Totally agree @2024onwardsandup @ImpartialObserver @Namechangedforgoodreasons

I myself have been quizzed on a previous thread by OP “why aren’t you marching for Palestine?” when I expressed sympathy for ordinary people in Gaza. Like only by virtue signalling could I be considered to genuinely care.

Was also attacked by several people on their previous thread about dead Palestinian children for even mentioning Hamas. Was told “this thread is not about that”.

It was fine for others to talk about historical things that happened before October 7th 2023 but that particular event was irrelevant to the discussion apparently.

I've never seen so many long winded excuses for the murder of 50,000 people.

Seeing that Isreal refused to enter into phase 2. Perhaps ask them what now?

What do you think the goal of Jewish extremists is? Take this recent incident of an Oscar winning Palestinian director who is now missing after the IDF took the heavily bleeding man from an ambulance.

There were dozens of settlers together with the Israeli soldiers and they were threatening us with weapons,” he said. “The police were there from the beginning and did not intervene. While the soldiers were pointing their weapons at us, the settlers started attacking the houses of the Palestinians.
“Hamdan tried to protect his family and the settlers attacked him. Soldiers started shooting in the air to prevent anyone to help Hamdan. He was shouting for help. They let the settlers attack him and then the army abducted him.”

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/24/oscar-winning-palestinian-director-attacked-by-israeli-settlers-and-arrested

This is what you are defending. This is who you don't feel are threatening.

In the same article, the witnesses reporting what happend are Jewish solidarity activists who go out into the West Bank to try to document the actions of the Jewish extremists/fundamentalists and the Israeli army which supports them.
Can any of the Israel apologists here please explain the events in the article and why the Israeli police and the army supported the illegal Jewish terrorists instead of the Palestinian man being attacked in his own home?

At least you are honest that you don't 'give a fuck' about the mass killing of children and the rape and sexual torture of women and girls. It's better than 'it's awful but I'm going to defend it anyway' mealy mouthed nonsense from most.

And this is just one incident of 1000s that is only getting attention because the victim is an Oscar winning director. If he wasn't this wouldn't be making the news, it's just another day in the occupied West Bank. And posters like @2024onwardsandup dont find these people threatening though so it's OK.

Oh my god. No one here is supporting Hamas. Not one single person who has said anything against Israel has said they support Hamas. What blows my mind is the number of presumably women who are justifying the killing of thousands of children by Israel. You have just said it ‘they need to be taken out’ - and all of the thousands of innocent civilians are just necessary collateral? How many times does it have to be said that Israel are committing genocide? They are indiscriminately bombing civilian buildings, including hospitals, cutting off aid. Israel were the ones who didn’t move to the next stage of the ceasefire and continued bombing and killing. And you people just keep harping on about October 7th which was almost 18 months ago! Neither is okay, October 7th was horrific but the scales do not match up. If you look into the rest of 2023 alone, October 7th was not the first thing that happened. Israel’s government includes far right extremists. Armed settlers had been killing Palestinians all year, burning homes to the ground. I don’t imagine many of the Palestinian people support Hamas either, and I don’t imagine many being happy with being controlled by a terrorist organisation.

edited to add: people need to look beyond what our media are telling us

@Dontlletmedownbrucetbf the British army did. Bloody Sunday, ballymurphy massacre to name just two.

I’m a 72-year-old British grandmother, but feel free to spread your nasty theories as much as you like.

There are plenty of useful idiots outside Gaza trying to manipulate public opinion to support "free Palestine".

There is a difference between "justifying the killing of children" and recognising that in a war innocent people, including children, will be killed. That’s why it’s better not to deliberately provoke a militarily powerful neighbour into war, especially if you have a civilian population consisting disproportionately of children.

And whether you are doing it deliberately or not, of course all the opposition to Israel is bolstering Hamas, and encouraging them to keep going. It can’t possibly be otherwise. Where are all the marchers criticising Hamas and urging them to concede defeat, for the sake of all the "children in their beds" some writers here keep talking about?

In WW2 the Allies bombed German cities. No doubt many completely innocent German children were killed, as a result of their Nazi government's policies. Would it have been better not to bomb any German cities, and let the Nazis win?

Isn't it enough for you that Hamas killed them?

Similar to the justifications for the Oct 7th murders, rapes etc.
At least the IDF eliminated 20,000 terrorists.

It’s not a “war” it is genocide. I repeat - October 7th wasn’t the beginning it was retaliation. Hamas are a terrorist organisation and should be condemned. However, Israel are committing war crimes on a much larger scale. None of it is okay but you really are choosing to remain ignorant, maybe to help you sleep better at night. Please see https://www.jewishvoiceforpeace.org/2023/11/24/countdown-to-genocide/. Again, Israel are the ones who didn’t progress the ceasefire. But I don’t believe that taking down Hamas is their goal.

It’s so ironic that you use the nazis as the example, who were behaving very similarly to how Israel is now. Literally the Israeli Security Cabinet has just approved plans for Mass Ethnic Cleansing of Gaza.

This is exactly what I mean by the token condemnation of Hamas whilst everything else supporting them

…. October 7 was a “retaliation”…..

rape and murdering children is not resistance.

it is unhelpful to view the situation through the lense of one historical perspective

the current reality is that the government and the majority of the population in Gaza has as their clearly articulated goal to kill Jews and all infidels. and this is not limited to Israel.

it is part of a broader psychopathic radical Islamic movement that wants to do this everywhere - including the uk

Hang on yesterday you said it was 25000 terrorists… today 20000
still failing to proof where you’re getting your numbers from.

@LoyalAquaOtter mate. seriously.

Yesterday I corrected my statement to 20,000.
Shame it wasn’t 25,000, but the IDF are working on getting more of them eliminated.
That Gasser hospital bombing was a precision attack. If the IDF had gone with the bunker buster, there would be no hospital standing.

Seriously. You have said that you believe that the vast majority of Gazans have clearly articulated that they want your death. This is what you believe no?

Why wouldn't I think that the reason you spent a day downplaying the actions of Jewish extremist settlers and Israeli soldiers was because you think they are helping you by attacking these people you believe want you dead?

Can you explain why else you don't find the actions of Jewish extremist settlers who have armed gangs that terrorise and kill people and IDF Soldiers who defend them and help them threatening? The only reason I can think of is because you think what they are doing is right but maybe you have another explanation?

Not a nasty theory but a fact! Israel openly recruit students to infiltrate online message boards - you can see the advertisements online, they talk about the program to news outlets. As in 2019 they had 15,000 students from 3 different countries in their employ. They also have a division of the IDF to act as “digital soldiers”, to pose as locals on social media forums and to promote Israel’s agenda. They get a script, it is a reason why they do not respond to facts and figures. They Deny (most deaths were combatants), then Deflect blame (Hamas made us do it), then attack the victims (no innocent Palestinians, if they want to live they should kick out Hamas - ignoring the fact that most Palestinians weren’t even alive last time there was an election).

You may be British but the large number of pro Israel accounts who were posting in the wee hours of the morning when most of us were asleep were likely posting from other timezones and I would be pretty confident that some of them are working directly at the behest of Israel.

I have no problem debating the issues with people but not with troll armies whose aim
is to stifle debate, drown out facts with soundbites and out forward Israeli propaganda. As I have said before, anyone who is receiving monetary benefits (educational or otherwise) from defending Israel’s acts of genocide online will be remembered in history books as being complicit in genocide.

Are you actually accusing people politely debating the issues on here of being troll armies whose aim is to stifle debate?? As far as I can tell everyone on here is debating in good faith giving their own opinions (even if you don't like their opinions).

@LoyalAquaOtter where have I talked about extremist settlers?

honestly it’s like trying to have a discussion with a toddler who is having a tantrum.

i said that I imagine idf soldiers have done awful things and they should be accountable for that.

Interestingly my mum, a 68 year old christian, visited Israel and Palestine. In Palestine she was given the best food while her hosts just had flat breads, she was overwhelmed by the friendly and welcoming nature of the Palestinian people despite the clear poverty. In Jerusalem she was visiting various sites and saw extremist Israelis spitting at a group of christian worshippers as they entered a religious site. The extremists in Israel only want the “chosen people”! There are bigoted extremists on both sides but the regular Palestinians just want to live, love, see their kids grow up!