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Israel killed more children in 15 months than were killed in all the conflicts of the world in the last 4 years combined. Israel is killing children again now at an unprecedented rate and the UK is supporting it with weapons, money and intelligence.
Israel is committing genocide according to the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel killed 159 Palestinians, including children, during the ceasefire - only 1 Israeli was killed in that time and that was a soldier in a friendly fire event.

Mumsnet HQ there are at least 3 threads about Ukraine still on AIBU, and many other political ones. Please do not hide this topic away in the other section again without at least explaining why UK involvement in the mass slaughter of children is not worthy of the front page. We are supporting a regime much worse than Russia, as much as Russia's regime is awful.

I think we all know that Israel following international law and withdrawing from the occupied territories would reduce the conflict and security risks in the region.

Why don't you tell us what is acceptable to you to prevent another October 7th? How many civilian Palestinian deaths is acceptable in that cause?

How can Palestinians stop Israel from doing all they have been doing for decades? Don't you realise that it works both ways. Have you been sleeping through the years of Palestinians being killed, having their homes, schools, businesses buldozed or burnt to the ground, their children taken away and sexually assaulted in administrative detention, their wives, daughters, and sisters raped at checkpoints? How do you propose Palestinians make that stop or are you only concerned about Israelis being hurt?

Would you support Israeli children being bombed to death in their beds because one person in their apartment block is in the IDF to stop Palestinians being raped and killed?

I absolutely can't fathom how anyone at all can defend Israel. I cannot fathom people defending the slaughter of children, the daily traumatising of a whole population, the dehumanising of thousands, the destruction of hospitals, schools and infrastructure, the complete destruction of a whole land making it humanly inhabitable.

I cannot fathom how inhumane some people are and others have become.

I cannot bare the helplessness I feel watching a genocide unfold daily infront of my eyes, and not being able to do a damn thing about it. Watching children die, become orphaned, be traumatised.

I cannot understand how the world sits idly by while Netenyahu and the IDF kill and traumatise children, women and men on a daily basis.

I cannot understand it and nor do I think I want to.

How lacking humanity some people are.

How can anyone, anyone at all, dream of building a resort or settler homes on the dead bodies of innocent children.

How can anyone at all think this death and genocide will make Israel safer??? It's ludicrous.

I hate Netenyahu. I hate the IDF. I hate trump. I hate what some of humanity have become.

And I feel guilty and sick that I am not able to do anything about the slaughter unfolding in front of me.

How many of the 50k are Hamas? It’s never broken down any further than women and children, it’s odd

I bet no one can come up with a decent answer to that one.

Realistically, Israel could never trust Hamas again after October 7th. It was a very, very foolish thing to do & innocent Palestinian people are paying the price.

Hard to understand the psychology behind the Hamas attack - did they seriously think Israel wouldn't retaliate or did they want to ignite extreme levels of violence for their own twisted reasons?

But you don't hate Hamas? Why are they left off the list if you're listing people who are lacking in humanity?

@Pombearsallday it withdrew from Gaza in 2005 - including removing all Jews because the Gaza regime could not tolerate Jews remaining. So that didn’t work - why would it be any different now?

Palestinians couldn't stop Israel from doing what they had been doing and killing Israeli civilians via the Hamas attack only made it worse for them.

Do please clarify who you are kindly recommending to "please drown in a sewer, the fucking lot of yous".

Hamas, re-read my post and you'll see it.

Israel should not hold an entire population, half of which are children and unable to vote, responsible for the actions of their ruling party which was funded and supported by Israel. Wake up

@BreakRulesOrFollow can you set out what you think Hamas and Gazan civilians could do to stop the conflict? If Hamas surrendered, returned all the hostages that pile to some way towards that do you agree? Why are you not calling for that?

And were you also shocked and disgusted by the abduction from their homes of civilians of all ages and their imprisonment as bargaining chips for their kidnappers?

Yes.

Were you shocked and disgusted at Israel doing exactly the same to Palestinians? And the fact that all Palestinian prisoners are routinely beaten, tortured and denied food and medical treatment?

That most female Palestinian prisoners are rated by their captors?

Exactly. If you know people who live in Israel, you know this.

@BreakRulesOrFollow if Hamas surrendered, gave up all its weapons and returned the hostages Israel would stop direct military action.

for sure there would then be a very big question about when Gaza would be sufficiently demilitarised that it could have self determination again. But absolutely bombing would stop.

Innocent civilians who have no homes, no money, no food and no life cannot do anything.

Israel needs to stop slaughtering and traumatising them NOW

Netenyahu and his IDF are committing genocide. They need to be stopped now.

What can innocent Gazans do? Nothing. They have been asking for the world's support for a VERY long time and no-one is helping.

@BreakRulesOrFollow and how is Hamas stopped from attacking Israel in your scenario?

why are you not appalled by Hamas treatment of Gazan civilians?

For goodness sake.

I do not support hamas.

October 7th was horrendous.

However, you cannot hold the entire gaza population responsible for hamas.

Surely you would support Israel being attacked if it was bombs being dropped from planes? The IDF and Israeli citizens have been killing and raping Palestinians for decades. You support Israel dropping bombs on Gaza because Hamas killed and raped people so you would support Palestinians doing the same to Israel?

Your issue doesn't seem to be with attacks or you would have issue with Israels too. Your issue is the method. So if Palestinians put on army uniforms and dropped bombs and drove tanks over people like Israel does that would be fine?

@BreakRulesOrFollow so again - what do you propose Israel does to ensure that October 7 doesn’t happen again?

as someone said upwards - the only reason why Hamas hasn’t destroyed Israel is because of the Iron dome and its basically not strong enough to.

The only way Israel will ever ever achieve peace is to stop taking other people's land, stop taking the rights of Palestinians away, stop killing Palestinian children.

If someone killed my kids I'd not think 'oh let's be friends'. The existence of hamas makes sense given the way the Palestinians have been treated of the last 70 years. If you want to get rid of hamas, then Israel needs to stop killing Palestinians, they need to stop stealing their land, they need to stop ethnical cleansing and genocide

I can't believe people think hamas can be eliminated by killing. They r an ideology. An ideology which, believe you me, when all this is done, will grow and grow and grow and then Israel will realise they played the game all wrong

You cannot treat people like animals for years, take their land, kill their children and expect them to like you and want to be friends.

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is thst serious? I mean - Hamas don’t wear uniforms in breach of international law - but they are the military force of Gaza

Horrible as they are, they absolutely do wear uniforms.

I don't hold the entire Gaza population responsible for Hamas, of course not.

But the question I asked you was why you left them off your list of people who are lacking in humanity & you didn't seem able to give a straightforward confirmation that they are on the list too.

Anyway, glad to know you do not support Hamas.

@BreakRulesOrFollow you know that Israel left Gaza in 2005 yes?