To be horrified that Israel is slaughtering children at a rate not seen for ober

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Israel killed more children in 15 months than were killed in all the conflicts of the world in the last 4 years combined. Israel is killing children again now at an unprecedented rate and the UK is supporting it with weapons, money and intelligence.
Israel is committing genocide according to the UN, Amnesty and Human Rights Watch. Israel killed 159 Palestinians, including children, during the ceasefire - only 1 Israeli was killed in that time and that was a soldier in a friendly fire event.

Mumsnet HQ there are at least 3 threads about Ukraine still on AIBU, and many other political ones. Please do not hide this topic away in the other section again without at least explaining why UK involvement in the mass slaughter of children is not worthy of the front page. We are supporting a regime much worse than Russia, as much as Russia's regime is awful.

Ah yes of course. Francesca Albanese is anti Semitic, the UN, Amnesty, Human Rights Watch, are anti-Semitic, B'Tselem and Yesh Din and Physician for Human Rights Israel (all Israeli NGOs) are anti Semitic, Mark Perlmutter and Ilan Pappe and Noam Chomsky and Avi Shlaim and Raz Segal (all Jewish Dr./professors) are anti-Semitic, Israeli soldiers in Breaking the Silence are anti-Semitic, young Israeli refuseniks who go to jail rather than kill children are anti-Semitic. Holocaust survivors are anti-Semitic, Na'amod and Jewish Voice for Peace are anti-Semitic... I mean are you not a bit embarrassed at yourself, honestly?

Meanwhile Elon Musk giving a Nazi salute to the far right is not anti-Semitic lol gotta take the laughs where I can

Fabulous post

The irony of your last sentence

Everyone forgets that they breached the ceasefire. To think women with kids think like this is absolutely disgusting.

By 'depopulation' do you mean the mass killing of civilians, primarily women and children?

It's literally not.

This post is islamophobic and justifies the deaths of women and children which is never ok.

Thanks OP for getting this thread again. It’s an absolute crazy world where people minisimise and justify the killing of 150 children in a single night and overall nearly 50k people being killed.

Strange that you would launch an ad hominem attack instead of deal with facts. You are wrong in almost all your assumptions about me.

A lot of 'lefties' spoke against the Yazidi genocide, actually, myself included. But we were already doing the right thing - fighting ISIS. In this genocide we have Israel/ISIS welcomed to the White House, Downing Street, UEFA... We are sending money and arms to Israel/ISIS for their genocide as recognised by the UN/Amnesty/Human Rights Watch.

The Palestinians were secular Muslims,Jews and Christians. From 1910-1930 the Jewish population went from 4% indigenous to 30% due to massive immigration from Eastern Europe (fleeing the Holocaust inflicted by Christians in the Enlightened world). The Palestinians were driven from their homes (see Israeli British historian Ilan Pappe "the Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine") by violent terrorists. They now cling on to 22% of their original homeland under a brutal Israeli occupation . Fatah and the PA are secular and had many, many women and Christian leaders (strange you don't know this as a Middle Eastern woman). Hamas didn't take power til 2006, some 60 years into.the struggle. Palestinian Christians and fully.active in the struggle to gain Palestinian self-determination and a state.

Really? Members of the IDF are raping and sexually torturing Palestinian women and girls and in your view if we criticise that we don't think Israel has the right to exist and are blatantly racist. It's beyond words honestly.

www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2025/03/more-human-can-bear-israels-systematic-use-sexual-reproductive-and-other

Please explain why I should be embarrassed of that specific post @Comedycook ? I'm always open to learning but I find I am more likely to do so when people present logical, factual,. source-validated arguments rather than random side-swipes and laughing emojis

By 'depopulation' I mean depopulation.

Ukraine invaded by Russia, I Europe.

Hamas attacked Israel on October 7th 2023 and kidnapped hostages and still hold many of them.

Sudan in the midst of a huge amount of starvation and war.

Yeman.

Syria, huge number of deaths under Assad death camps. Now slaughtering people who were pro Assad.

Slaughter of Yezardi.

The list goes on and on.

Marches on Saturdays in cities for Gaza. Jewish people scared to walk past in London. Some terrorist support shown, Hamas colours, parachute pictures, pulling down hostage posters, anti semitic singing. That conflict has more marches than ones with higher numbers of deaths. Massive rise in anti semitism in the UK, yet UK Jewish people not responsible for what happens in the middle east. Mumsnet has huge number of threads supporting gaza and posting how awful Israel is.

I want Mumsnet as light relief not propaganda.

Some Holocaust survivors on Gaza. I appreciate there are others who feel differently, but I find it strange that this viewpoint is never given air time on the BBC/ Sky etc

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=F3xuIdVjtiI&pp=ygUNU3RlcGhlbiBrYXBvcw%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-IN45zIiRBw&pp=ygUcaG9sb2NhdXN0IHN1cnZpdm9ycyBmb3IgZ2F6YdIHCQlPCQGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

https://m.youtube.com/shorts/LCP1WmudRts

@RandomWordsThrownTogether re the IRA comparison, I had posted a follow up but the thread wasn't there. I am very aware of the atrocities of NI and what the british did, I'm Irish myself. The comparison was in relation to when the IRA bombs moved to mainland UK and innocent British people were killed or maimed. It's very similar to the Hamas attacks. The difference is the UK didn't launch a full scale war on Irish, bombing children in their beds claiming to be defending themselves. There was knowledge of terrorist links in specific villages and housing estates but they weren't razed to the ground. Yet many people here are claiming Israel didn't have a choice in retaliation and any other country would have done the same. I'm saying no, they would have not. There are many paths to choose without killing innocent people.

There is a huge Jewish bloc on every one of the marches, with a massive banner and wearing yarmulkes,. precisely because they understand how important their solidarity is.

Of course UK.Jews are not responsible, no one is saying they are. I am saying (because the UN and Amnesty and HRW and Save the Children and Oxfam are saying) that the UK govt is responsible in large part for this genocide, and all of us as adult taxpayers in a democratic society are responsible for our govt. It was we the people who stopped the govt supporting S. African apartheid and slavery NOT the other way around.

I want Mumsnet as light relief not propaganda.

Can you point out the propaganda? Why are you objecting to the existence of a thread on the murder of over 100 children on a mumsnet site? Would you prefer we just ignore it because it's uncomfortable and divisive?

And mumsnet has become anything but light relief

Thank you op for this thread and the effort you are going to, to highlight the atrocities

I know what you mean & feel very sorry about the rise in anti semitism in the UK from some quarters ( not everyone blames Jewish people for what is happening in the Middle East) but the advice is always not to read threads that are likely to upset you.

People do have the right to start any threads they like as long as they stay within Mumsnet guidelines so if you want Mumsnet as light relief, these are not the threads for that!

I appreciate that, without time travel, Hamas can't undo the fact that they commited a mass terrorist atrocity on 7 October 2023, but they've had since then to at least hand the hostages back.

Hamas' whole MO though is to get as many people as possible killed, preferebly children, so they can film them in close-up detail and disseminate that on tiktok. Dead children are their propaganda fodder.
I don't understand why the OP isn't more incensed about that - all the rage appears directed at Israel. Why is that?

Interestingly, there seem to be no Hamas fighters when there is active conflict, yet plenty in their shiny clean uniforms, with their shiny new expensive land cruisers, strutting around when there's a ceasefire and it's time to publicly humiliate and torment some hostages.

I mean have they considered actually stopping their shit?

Are people forgetting that Hamas killed many innocent children and babies and paraded their dead bodies for all of their citizens to clap and cheer?

no side is blameless in this and there is a lot of hate towards Israel. People are forgetting that one child dying is too many. It’s not Israel who is to blame, it’s the people at the top in Israel who are to blame but we are using Israel as a blanket term to point blame and it’s causing so much hatred towards innocent people.

war is hugely profitable. This is why people go to war. no one is blameless and people need to direct their hate campaigns at the right people. Israel its self includes many innocent men women and children who are scared too. These posts are harmful and hateful

Here's a little example of Israel's apartheid in Hebron, in the West Bank, which is supposed to become a Palestinian state under international law. Some 800 radical Israeli religious extremists have set up an enclave in the heart of 120,000 Palestinians and with the help of the Israeli military they dominate the lives of the Palestinians - Palestinian shops along the main street were welded shut, Palestinians are not allowed to walk along the central streets, the Israeli settlers throw stones, rubbish and excrement with impunity. You can find Israeli soldier testimony about this on "Breaking the Silence" under Hebron, website and also on X.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aEdGcej-6D0&t=11s&pp=2AELkAIBygUSaGVicm9uIGRvY3VtZW50YXJ5

Wow you really need to learn to read widely outside of propaganda texts! You are literally reciting from a script with nothing of substance and no evidence to back up your arguements. If you can show facts and figures that have been verified by external sources that are not actively involved in the conflict you would be taken more seriously.

First ask what is a democracy and how it works? If you deny a large portion of the population statehood, people who have lived there and whose parents, grandparents and great grandparents lived there for generations. If you say these people have no right to vote and instil loads of rules further removing their rights is that democratic? Lets say I decide I need a catholic homeland and say I am taking England, drive all the protestants out of their houses and say this is my country now - but some of them are still here so I just say they are not part of my state, give them no voting rights and instead give all rights to the people I shipped in from around the world - is that democratic when a large percentage of the population has no voice and no say over decisions that affect them? (Point of note for the ‘UK never did anything wrong poster’ - read about the penal times in Ireland).

Point 2 - an eye for an eye and the world will go blind. If you smack me does that mean that everything I do after that is no longer my fault because you hit me? It is a fact that Israel started the whole mess, if you look at actual figures you will see Israel are complicit in murdering civilians for generations BEFORE October 7th but it is irrelevant - Hamas should not have murdered innocent people regardless of what Israel did, Israel should not have murdered 10s of thousands of innocent civilians regardless of what Hamas did. If you open your mind and think about what the sociopathic leaders on each side are fighting for it is not people, it is land, and in Israel’s case it is about profit, beach resorts, access to the sea. They don’t care about individual people.

Point 3 - how do you fit over 2 million people into tunnels? How does that work in terms of oxygen? Saying Hamas “hides” among it’s population is ridiculous btw, yes people in Hamas live in regular communities - they don’t have a special “Hamas hotel” where they are all conveniently based - just as the Israeli politicians and the IDF go home to houses within the regular community. Would it be justified to bomb Israel because “IDF hides in the community, using people as human shields” - if we used that logic each country would have a right to bomb civilian areas and the rules of war would be erased. It is always the case that soldiers live in communities.

Point 4 - Israel did start warning civilians in advance and telling them to exit using particular routes which they then bombed! This is evidenced, there are accounts from human rights workers on the ground, from doctors, from paramedics, there is video footage. On countless occasions Israel told everyone to go to one place to be “safe”, gathered them all up and then bombed them.

Also please tell me your figures of civilians to combatants and what the source of this information is - 70% of deaths are women and children and as we have established there is no evidence of little kids running around with guns. If you make a statement please include the figures and a link to where you got the figures.

I have no problem with Israel existing (just it’s actions) but I don’t believe it should be a jewish state, just as there should be no catholic, protestant, muslim or any other religious state - I believe in the entire separation of state and religion in all countries. I do not believe in a chosen people, I believe all people were made equal.