To not pay for an unwanted child?

[Anudawan]

Hypothetical.

it came up at work today.

if the pregnancy was a result of a one night stand, regardless of whether precautions were taken, if the man doesn’t want the pregnancy and the woman decides to continue, should he be able to opt out of child support?

my personal answer and I’m not sure on the nuance (ie do you have be on the birth certificate and thus can claim parental responsibility in order to be compelled to pay maintenance or a dna test to compel the man) my personal answer is no, he cannot or shouldn’t be able to opt out once the child is born. All sex (with a woman of reproductive age) carries the risk of pregnancy, you can lower the risk but never fully remove it. Abstinence is the only way to do that. To do the action you’ve got to be prepared for the consequences. It’s very easy to flippantly say ‘get an abortion’ but for some women that isn’t viable.

It’s never straightforward. In that predicament I get you. I’m speaking for those who go through that extra protection of using a condom and it does break at times. Things happens does that apply with this context.

You won’t win with these women. They agree to the above because guess what they pick random men on one night stands to be fathers. Instead of going to a get a morning after pill or having the coil to prevent the very thing. They would rather force fatherhood on men to entrap them.

100% No he shouldn’t be able to opt out. Pregnancy isn’t women’s risk alone to bear. It takes two to tango. It’s a shared risk and a shared consequence / cost.

Try again because that’s rape. If they don’t consent. If they don’t consent they wouldn’t be in that predicament.

I agree.

A man can use a condom or get the snip instead of relying on a woman to sort contraception.

Clearly it is the woman’s body so it is her decision to make . If we can’t have ownership of our own bodies then you are a slave.

You can also do the same

A man has 1 type of contraception and a woman has 42 or there abouts (with expeptions of hysterectomy or the snip) so who does the main responsibility lie with, women want equality but are still bailed out of every situation and quite frankly men are waking up and getting pretty sick of it and it's great to see, also 80% of single parents are women yet 90% of fathers pay for their children yet of the 20% of single parent fathers on 40% of mothers pay, to me that speaks volumes.

A woman can’t give a baby up for adoption without the father’s consent. She can have an abortion, but once the baby is born, she can be forced to continue being a mother. If the father decides to parent the child, she can refuse to see the child, but her liability for child support doesn’t go away.

Nope that is not rape. Rape is penetrating without consent not jizzing without consent.

The two actions are different. You can absolutely consent to sex and say no to being jizzed in.

the responsibility lies 50/50. Women don’t owe you 42 times more contraception to make it even.

90% of fathers do not pay half of the costs of their children. Paying ‘something’ is not ‘paying’.

And the only 50% of mothers pay? How many if those are in 50/50 custody? How many are mothers who have died/in prison/ addicted ?

Most women do not have that many. Not all options are available to all. Many women cannot have some or most on offer.

Glad men are waking up and finally sorting out their dicks. About bloody time. Shocking that 80% of single parents are women!

Almost 45% of women have either ran off with another man, addicted to drugs, or given their child up for adoption. Is this a man’s fault also.

Ha ha ha! I understand completely. She hurt you didn't she?

Much of it will be down to him given most women suffer abuse during pregnancy leading to them leaving for better men or coping strategies.

Would you preferred they stay and be abused more?

Cite your sources. Where do you get the stats thst 90% of men pay for their children? Also how much? Because £20 yeah it’s a payment but it’s a drop in the ocean? Does men paying count has a sporadic payment here and there or is it consistently making 50% payments throughout the child’s life (I ask already knowing the answer).

Delve more into those stats… what are the circumstances of those fathers being single fathers? Widowers? How many of those mums, just upped and walked out earning a top salary and try to only pay £20 a week on their kid? how many single fathers are there relative to single mothers?

also cite your sources again because I’ve looked up your stats and can’t find a single web entry to back it up

doubt it’s very much from the mother just up and leaving.

ps congratulations that was one of the dumbest things I’ve seen on the internet. ‘Women get bailed out of every situation’… pahah.

So delve more into that… 45% of those mothers who (according to you) don’t pay for their children. If they are drug addicts in recovery, using or in prison they have no means to do so, it’s not denying maternity to opt out or to cheat the system to pay as little as possible.

also how long does this persist for? Are the majority addicts for the child’s whole life? Sure some are, but all? Or are some temporarily losing custody whilst sorting their life out and then return to be a co parent?

Now to answer your question is it the man’s fault he had a child with a drug user… yes. Yes it is. He should’ve used protection, especially considering he was having unprotected sex with a drug user. Hope that helps.

also as always when you make a claim, bring evidence to support it.

also when women give their child up from adoption it’s typically because the father is also not around or else it wouldn’t be adoption

Ffs men can never win. Everything is there fault even when a women has all that contraception and all options to opt out. They do not have that privilege it’s acc unfair.

He had contraception at hand and the option to opt out. He chose not to do either.

I actually said 60% of women don't pay when the father's have custody of the their children only 40% pay but women always have an excuse and what's more infuriating is the fact you actually convince each other men are the problem

You said 60% of women do not pay and of those 60%, 45% are druggies, ran away with other men and have given the child up for adoption.

Now why would she need to pay the father if the child has been give up for adoption? Makes no sense! He has no responsibility as the adoptive parents now have the child. So who is she meant to pay?

So that leaves 15% of those women not paying - of which will include some who are dead so unable to pay from beyond the grave. Some incarcerated so unable to pay and some who are feckless.

Now given that 33% of mothers do not receive payment this means more women pay than men do.

15% not paying vs 33% not paying. Also 66% of women say they have to chace men for the money.

Wouldn't it just!

Men do! ha! Now imagine if you never realised how often men do!

Yeah, of course. The woman should be free to have the child. However, whether or not the man should pay is another matter entirely.

Men are free to jizz outside of a vagina then if they do not wish to have that to deal with. If she says no then it means no.