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BE - dog and newborn guilt

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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

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DreadInvestigations · 20/03/2025 06:17

You did the right thing OP.

I can’t believe people put dogs on a pedestal so much to the extent that they make a decision not to have babies because of their dogs. Or that they live a life unable to ever have guests in their home because of a reactive dog. It’s crazy to me. Then again, so is allowing a dog in your bed every night.

OP it sounds like you did everything right once baby arrived. At worst you were probably a bit naive about how it was going to pan out. But your baby comes first x

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:27

Also @SquashedSquid just read the OP again if you want an example of why a dog shouldn’t be someone’s ’whole world’ - what happens when that world expands to include a baby? Exactly. I’m guessing you don’t have kids, because if you do they’re not a part of your dog-filled world, and that is very sad for them indeed. You have no space in your world to add anything else to it, because it’s full of dog.

Catsandcannedbeans · 20/03/2025 06:29

I can see why you feel guilty, but you did the right thing. You’re postpartum as well, so that won’t be helping. Just take a step back and take care of yourself OP. You are not a terrible person, it was a hard decision and you made the right choice, but that doesn’t mean you won’t feel bad. Just keep in mind you’re also very hormonal and probably sleep deprived.

Skinthin · 20/03/2025 06:37

Oh gosh this post is so upsetting to read. I’m so sorry OP and sending you love, this must be incredibly hard. You were in a very difficult situation and you took the only action you felt able to, so try to put that guilt down xx

I don’t agree with the prevailing view that animals’ lives are disposable, so I cannot agree with choices that were made here or the consensus on this thread, but at the same time, I can’t say that if I were in your shoes I wouldn’t have done the same.

congratulations on your baby, focus on the wonderful life you have given her xxx

Itssofunny · 20/03/2025 06:43

You did the right thing, OP. I'm so sorry that this has been such a stressful time for you and you'll be grieving your DDog while also trying to heal from birth. Be very gentle with yourself, accept any support you can from friends and family. Wishing you the very best.

BonnieBug · 20/03/2025 06:46

GelatinousDynamo · 18/03/2025 21:17

This really is on you and you are right to be feeling guilty, but not because you've decided to protect your child by removing him from the house. It's because you've had so many years to tackle his issues, but instead you took the easy way out and accommodated him and his anxiety. You never gave him a chance to overcome his problems, you didn't keep trying, you just gave up on him at some point, and then you had him put to sleep when he became too unmanageable.

Don't get me wrong, I agree with everyone that the baby's safety is paramount and you had no other choice. But you left yourself no other choice, too, and that's on you.

Foul thing to say....you have no idea do you?you just wanted to say something repulsive to a new mum.
How the hell did she give up on him? Sounds like she built her life around him!
Some dogs like humans are who they are, even with training.

wusbanker · 20/03/2025 06:57

It sounds like he had very serious issues and you did the best that you could. He lived a long and full life, you shouldn’t feel bad at all.

wusbanker · 20/03/2025 07:00

& to the people saying that you “took the easy way out” by not “fixing” him, if the behaviourists were saying they don’t understand his behaviour, and he’s growing scared and changing his mind for no reason, then it’s just something wrong with his brain. Dogs can have mental health issues and this dog was seemingly disturbed, there’s nothing you could have done.

RedHelenB · 20/03/2025 07:08

I think you should have waited to have your dc but children before dogs every time.

Dwappy · 20/03/2025 07:11

RedHelenB · 20/03/2025 07:08

I think you should have waited to have your dc but children before dogs every time.

Waited how long though? Until the dog was dead? What if he lasted another 5-6 years? Then the OP would have been 39-40. I started TTC at 39. I’m 44 now and it never worked.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 07:38

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 06:06

I'm getting the feeling that some people don't have the faintest clue how fertility works.

I'm sure I know how contraception works! If you don't want a child then make sure you don't. Until it is the right time. Not that difficult.

Dwappy · 20/03/2025 08:04

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 07:38

I'm sure I know how contraception works! If you don't want a child then make sure you don't. Until it is the right time. Not that difficult.

As I said just before. I tried to wait until the time was right. Then it was too late. I would never advise anyone to wait until late 30s to try and have a child unless there was absolutely no other option. And having a reactive aggressive dog is not a no other option reason to miss out on ever having a child.

Pickingmyselfup · 20/03/2025 08:04

There are worse things in life than a peaceful euthanasia at 14 for a dog. No chance of a successful re-home due to age and issues and it's a risk not worth taking.

Behavioural issues often never go away and can sometimes only be managed. I'm not a fan of keeping an aggressive dog even without kids, too much can go wrong but I do understand that it's easier to manage the behaviour when there is nothing else taking up your time.

I had a cat with behavioural issues, not of the same league but it was causing us huge issues having him poo and spray everywhere. We did everything right to try and figure out what the triggers were, spent thousands on vets, litter, trays, food, calming pills, behaviourists but nothing worked long term.

I got pregnant with #1 and we still continued to work with him and we did have some respite for a couple of months until I got pregnant with #2 and then it got worse. We still battled day after day until I had had enough and I gave him back to the breeder who said she would find him a home on full disclosure with no other cats, no kids, indoor only to manage his stress levels. Slightly different because he was young and wasn't hurting people so we took a chance on a re-home but if nobody was willing I would have had to make a choice, never let him inside or PTS for his sake because he was such a people cat and a life without cuddles would be miserable.

I don't regret giving him up because I know it was the right thing to do but I still miss him and wish things could have turned out differently and I'm sure OP does too. I got berated for having kids with a troubled cat but there is no way we could have waited until he died, I would have been 40+ by then and when he was long gone I would be left with the permanent regret of never having kids.

That's not to mention the stress levels of an animal showing severe behavioural issues, it doesn't seem right to keep them in a state of permanent stress especially in old age just so we don't feel guilty about putting them to sleep. They might be physically healthy but they definitely aren't mentally healthy.

I hope you are doing ok OP, you did the right thing for everyone and when the fog has cleared you won't doubt yourself

Dwappy · 20/03/2025 08:13

@Pickingmyselfup i agree with the choice you made. Imagine waiting 10-15 years to have a family while waiting for the cat to die naturally first! But yet it seems some people think that’s what you should have done apparently.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 08:20

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 07:38

I'm sure I know how contraception works! If you don't want a child then make sure you don't. Until it is the right time. Not that difficult.

How is this relevant to the OP, who did want a child?

The right time to have a child is:

  • when you want a child;
  • when you are capable of looking after a child; and
  • while your ovaries still work.
prettyneededchill · 20/03/2025 08:24

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 07:38

I'm sure I know how contraception works! If you don't want a child then make sure you don't. Until it is the right time. Not that difficult.

Oh dear child. You really think everyone can just “decide” to have a child, and that happens for them?

YessandNno · 20/03/2025 08:27

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind that your dog would have attacked your baby had he been left alone with her.
You have done the right thing for your family and have no reason whatsoever to feel any guilt.

To be honest, I'm surprised that you put up with the dog's behaviour for as long as you did. You allowed it to control your lives. If you ever have another dog, don't let that happen again. Start out by firmly establishing who is in charge.

Congratulations on the birth of your daughter, by the way. I wish you bucketloads of happiness with your new little family.

Mama2many73 · 20/03/2025 08:31

How would you feel if your dog had attacked, or God forbid, killed your baby??

You made the right choice and that's what you need to tell yourself.

I understand there's a guilt there, that's human nature, allow yourself time to grieve for the loss of an anxious/scared but much loved pet, and surround yourself with the love of your family and baby ❤️🐾

Poppyseeds79 · 20/03/2025 08:33

Heyhowhatsup · 20/03/2025 05:07

Projecting a bit 🤣🤣🤣🤣

especially as I don’t think anyone has advocated options a/b/c

but good to see you think pets are disposable when you decide to change your life up and have a child knowing you have a reactive dog that loves you and is fine with you but that you’ve not bothered to train and help.

It's not that simple. You can't just train away some issues, that's beyond a simplistic and unrealistic response. Some animals will never be okay and it's just their hardwiring.

MooseAndSquirrelLoveFlannel · 20/03/2025 08:41

You absolutely did the right thing!

A newborn, defenceless baby should always come before an animal.

I don't feel comfortable with dogs, any dogs, around young children. That's my personal opinion, I think all dogs hold an inherent risk to kids. How many family dogs go on to hurt children! But I do respect that many people don't think this way however we need to move away from treating dogs as surrogate children for this very reason.

Congratulations on your new baby OP. Xx

Pickingmyselfup · 20/03/2025 09:02

Dwappy · 20/03/2025 08:13

@Pickingmyselfup i agree with the choice you made. Imagine waiting 10-15 years to have a family while waiting for the cat to die naturally first! But yet it seems some people think that’s what you should have done apparently.

I got a lot of shit online for rehoming him, apparently it is as simple as clearing it up but when it's right outside your child's door, in their rooms, breaking the boiler and almost setting a plug on fire it starts to become a hazard.

He could have lived for another 10 years minimum, no way could I have coped that long and waiting until I was 38 minimum to even start trying for my first child would have been madness for the sake of a cat.

Sometimes I think was insane for putting up with it for so long, I used to spend hours writing notes of our day to day lives, tracking working hours, parcel deliveries, raised voices to find a trigger but I never did.

marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 20/03/2025 09:10

You did the right thing OP, any normal person would think so. Don’t take any notice of the crazy people.

jessycake · 20/03/2025 09:32

He was a good age and you absolutley did the right thing . He had a great life with you , more than most reactive dogs and now it's time to enjoy being a family .

Bignanna · 20/03/2025 15:16

Heyhowhatsup · 20/03/2025 05:07

Projecting a bit 🤣🤣🤣🤣

especially as I don’t think anyone has advocated options a/b/c

but good to see you think pets are disposable when you decide to change your life up and have a child knowing you have a reactive dog that loves you and is fine with you but that you’ve not bothered to train and help.

OP couldn’t have done more than she did. She made the right decision.

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 20:33

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 08:20

How is this relevant to the OP, who did want a child?

The right time to have a child is:

  • when you want a child;
  • when you are capable of looking after a child; and
  • while your ovaries still work.
Edited

Well then she has to accept then that if she chose to have a child and planned this knowing full well then she planned the dog's death. Not hard to understand. She knew what would happen and carried on regardless.

Knowing the dog was 14 meant that it would not have had much longer left anyway but she couldn't wait as her wants came over the dog's right to life.