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BE - dog and newborn guilt

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Cat921 · 18/03/2025 19:29

Three weeks ago we had our reactive 14 year old Jack Russell put to sleep because of his strange behaviour around our newborn baby and I feel so guilty.

Our dog was our whole life. We loved him dearly! My husband had him before we met since he was a puppy so for 14 years and I had him for 9 years. He was very reactive and we changed our whole life since I have known my husband for him. He was very territorial of the home and we couldn’t invite people over so we would have to put him upstairs away from visitors. He had previously bitten two people who entered the house quite a few years previously.
He accepted my mum eventually after she give him treats but had to be introduced with a muzzle. On walks we kept him close to use as he did not like other dogs or people and we were unsure if he would bite out of anxiety. He was an anxious dog who hated baths, blowing out candles, and sneezes. He would need to be on a lead in the garden as he hated the dog next door and would bark at him incessantly through the fence and we also were worried about him getting out and potentially biting someone out of fear. He hated when parcels would be dropped off and we would have to fight to get to the door. He had three people in his life he was fine with and who he loved. He hated the car and we could not take him anywhere or to public places as he would get so anxious.

When we first returned home, for the first three days we were surprised as our dog was fine with our newborn and we introduced them from a distance and let him smell her blanket and baby grow. I bought extra treats and toys for him. I naively thought he would be fine but my husband had had prior reservations before we brought her home. We were hoping he would sense my pregnancy as he would always sit on my knee for cuddles. After a few days, he barked at my baby in her Moses basket and my husband grew unsure of his intentions. He started becoming stressed when she cried as if he realised that she was suddenly here and would hide under the table and started weeing in the house. We never sanctioned him for this. He then started taking an interest in the Moses basket in the living room and was obsessed with jumping up at it even when she wasn’t crying. He wasn’t necessarily bothered about her when I was holding her on the sofa. We contacted a dogs trust behaviourist for advice. We couldn’t have a behaviourist come to the house as he does not accept visitors. He then continued to bark when she cried and we recorded my babies cried and used a doll (suggested by dogs trust) to positively reinforce him leaving it alone with treats but this did not work. He then started jumping up at me on the sofa when holding my baby with his tail down and we recorded this and sent to dogs trust who said it was potentially concerning behaviour. Our dog slept in our bed with us his whole life and our baby had her next to me crib in there and I felt uneasy about him accessing it if I was asleep at night as it was on his level. He never bothered it the previous nights but I ended up sleeping downstairs with her the few nights after that which was hard with a newborn. We had to put his muzzle on to calm him in the house as he would not leave the Moses basket alone.

We were able to manage all of this behaviour previous to my daughter being born as he was the most loving dog with us and never bit us or showed any aggression to me and my husband. We loved him so much but this was hard to manage with a newborn. I think I know ultimately it was the right decision but feel bad as he looked to me to protect him and would always come to me when scared! The guilt is awful! It was such a stressful situation and hormones were everywhere and feel we should have gave him longer than a week to adjust but me and my partner just were unsure of his behaviour and couldn’t read him and weren’t sure if we could take that chance with our newborn. We were worried this anxiety would manifest itself into aggression. We could not rehome him as he would not do well in that situation and could be a potential risk to strangers. We also read that dogs don’t see babies as human and as potentially an animal and prey which scared us. We are heartbroken that we had to make this decision. Anyone had a similar situation and how do I deal with this guilt?

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4timesthefun · 19/03/2025 20:11

Huge hugs, OP. What a tough situation. If you can, let go of the guilt and allow yourself to grieve for him. Try and remember that you DID protect him. He had a loving home for over a decade, and when a point of change became too much, you helped him find a peaceful end. It sounds highly unlikely that he was going to adapt to the change, and even if a crystal ball told you that he would adjust in 18-months, it sounds like a lot of unnecessary stress for a 14 year old dog, who could (and in my opinion, should) be allowed to pass peacefully.

Nextdoortomeis · 19/03/2025 20:11

You did the right thing.
Our dog attacked DS when he started to crawl. 9months old.
Fortunately I was nearby and the dog just broke the skin on his head.

HotDoggidyDig · 19/03/2025 22:00

@Cat921 I’m really sorry you were in this situation. I agree with many PPs that you did the right thing. You have DDog lots of love for many years, involving huge personal sacrifice. Things are so raw now but hopefully in time should ease.

Interested to know what you thought of the support/lack of support from Dogs Trust? Sounds like they weren’t able to offer much helpful advice in the past to help DDog and didn’t offer to rehome them now.

@Glitchymn1 sounds like you’ve also had or heard of bad experiences with Dogs Trust?

TBH I feel really let down by them. They matched us with a highly reactive dog despite us being first-time owners who explained our limited experience and have since been pretty rubbish at providing further support. We have tried working with other professionals (experienced dog walker, behaviourist) but having a reactive dog is so hard and is so limiting.

I know some people are amazing at turning certain dogs around and that’s fantastic but I don’t think all people are capable of this or that all dogs can be trained out of all their reactive traits, especially if it’s as a result of severe neglect. So I don’t agree with some PPs that it’s always right for the owner to keep a dig, whatever the cost to them or the dog.

Poppyseeds79 · 19/03/2025 22:07

Heyhowhatsup · 19/03/2025 19:35

I don’t think anyone’s saying to hold on to the bitter end though are they?

I think the point being made was that not much was done to think ahead on this issue and prepare the dog other than hoping for the best which is pretty poor. The OP said the dog overcame its issues with her mother which does beg the question why wasn’t more invested in it when they had 9 months and had admittedly been trying for a baby.

How would they do that exactly? Borrow a friends baby to see if it attacked it? 🙄

StumbleInTheDebris · 19/03/2025 22:14

Always amazed by the number of posters on MN who seem to think that every woman has control over whether and when they have kids.

LittleCharlotte · 19/03/2025 22:14

I'm so sorry for your loss.. He sounds like a very anxy little dog and certainly that he wasn't enjoying life towards the end. I do wonder if he had started to develop some sort of dementia. You absolutely did all that you could.

"Better a day too early than an hour too late".

Thank you for loving him. Enjoy your baby and share happy memories of your little dog.

Poppyseeds79 · 19/03/2025 22:21

Honestly a few posters on here sound absolutely batshit! Seriously if you think it would be a better option for...
A) Ddog to have lived the remainder of his life outside in a kennel.
B) Be rehomed at 14 (zero chance with his issues), and utterly miserable.
C) Wear a muzzle pretty much 24/7.
D) OP to have gambled her fertility against the dog living how ever many more years.

Then you're totally chatting out your arse 🤣

CousinBob · 20/03/2025 00:02

You did the right thing OP. Don’t feel guilty. Your dog was loved and looked after for 14 years.

CousinBob · 20/03/2025 00:02

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Heyhowhatsup · 20/03/2025 05:01

Poppyseeds79 · 19/03/2025 22:07

How would they do that exactly? Borrow a friends baby to see if it attacked it? 🙄

How idiotic. And completely useless comment.

Heyhowhatsup · 20/03/2025 05:07

Poppyseeds79 · 19/03/2025 22:21

Honestly a few posters on here sound absolutely batshit! Seriously if you think it would be a better option for...
A) Ddog to have lived the remainder of his life outside in a kennel.
B) Be rehomed at 14 (zero chance with his issues), and utterly miserable.
C) Wear a muzzle pretty much 24/7.
D) OP to have gambled her fertility against the dog living how ever many more years.

Then you're totally chatting out your arse 🤣

Projecting a bit 🤣🤣🤣🤣

especially as I don’t think anyone has advocated options a/b/c

but good to see you think pets are disposable when you decide to change your life up and have a child knowing you have a reactive dog that loves you and is fine with you but that you’ve not bothered to train and help.

SawItOnTikTok · 20/03/2025 05:19

the dog sounds like he had a pretty miserable time of it all round - him being that anxious all the time won’t have been a good life for him. Having to go out in the garden on a lead instead of working on his anxious responses and thinking that training won’t work because the baby couldn’t give him a treat just goes to show that you don’t understand effective dog training.

I get that the safety of the baby is most important but don’t get another dog in the future

Heyhowhatsup · 20/03/2025 05:37

SawItOnTikTok · 20/03/2025 05:19

the dog sounds like he had a pretty miserable time of it all round - him being that anxious all the time won’t have been a good life for him. Having to go out in the garden on a lead instead of working on his anxious responses and thinking that training won’t work because the baby couldn’t give him a treat just goes to show that you don’t understand effective dog training.

I get that the safety of the baby is most important but don’t get another dog in the future

Yes. I thought the baby couldn’t give him a treat comment was very revealing too.

it’s done now OP. Please don’t get another dog again. And let’s hope that goes for a lot of others on this thread too who think responsible ownership is irresponsibly looking after a dog and then putting it down or putting it down when something better comes along.

TheSippyCupSociety · 20/03/2025 05:39

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

Ofcourse you’ll get flamed because it’s a stupid response. I don’t even need to explain why.

OP you did the right thing ❤️

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 05:52

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

This! They knew the dog was reactive and knew he would react to the baby but ignored that and chose to have the baby anyway regardless. They created a situation that they knew the dog would react to, knew he couldn't be rehomed and then he has to pay with his life because of that choice which they could've made later down the line.

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 05:56

KhakiShaker · 18/03/2025 20:35

I’ll probably get flamed for this but I don’t care. This post has made me angry. Your poor dog who you claim was your life, was nearing the end of his life. Couldn’t you just have waited until he passed naturally before having a baby?

Your dog deserved to live the rest of his life without you ending it prematurely because you decided to have a baby. You must’ve known the dog would’ve had a problem with a newborn and wasn’t safe around kids, yet you couldn’t wait just a little bit longer? What did you think was going to happen when you brought the baby home?

He sounds like a really horrible dog. History of biting, aggressive, reactive. Dogs are often put down after the first bite. A dog shouldn’t be somone’s ‘whole world’ anyway, even if it’s the best dog ever.

MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 06:05

You did the right thing.

Imagine your dog had attacked your baby. She could have been killed or permanently disfigured. And then you would have had to have your dog PTS anyway, whilst living with the guilt and pain about what you had allowed to happen to your much wanted baby.

A dog like that just isn't compatible with having small children. Having him humanely PTS will have been much less painful for him than being rehomed, even if you could have found someone willing to take him.

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:06

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MissScarletInTheBallroom · 20/03/2025 06:06

whippy1981 · 20/03/2025 05:52

This! They knew the dog was reactive and knew he would react to the baby but ignored that and chose to have the baby anyway regardless. They created a situation that they knew the dog would react to, knew he couldn't be rehomed and then he has to pay with his life because of that choice which they could've made later down the line.

I'm getting the feeling that some people don't have the faintest clue how fertility works.

SquashedSquid · 20/03/2025 06:07

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 05:56

He sounds like a really horrible dog. History of biting, aggressive, reactive. Dogs are often put down after the first bite. A dog shouldn’t be somone’s ‘whole world’ anyway, even if it’s the best dog ever.

What a disgusting comment to make about an animal. Dogs are aggressive and reactive usually because they're frightened or have had a traumatic experience. They're not "horrible". What's horrible is killing a pet because a baby came along.

My dog is my whole world. He literally keeps me alive. Who are you to tell someone he "shouldn't be"?

Gettoachiro · 20/03/2025 06:07

Some disgusting responses here from complete fruitcakes.

You did completely the right thing OP, I'd have done it sooner given nobody else would have him.

As much as you loved him the dog sounds like a horrible little git.

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:08

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Why do you think the dog could have had 5 more happy years, if it was anxious and yappy and muzzled and shut away upstairs whenever there was visitors for the first 14 years?! Do you care about this dog or not? Doesn’t sound like it to me…

pearbottomjeans · 20/03/2025 06:11

SquashedSquid · 20/03/2025 06:07

What a disgusting comment to make about an animal. Dogs are aggressive and reactive usually because they're frightened or have had a traumatic experience. They're not "horrible". What's horrible is killing a pet because a baby came along.

My dog is my whole world. He literally keeps me alive. Who are you to tell someone he "shouldn't be"?

I think the same when people say that their job is their whole world, or their kids, or any singular thing. Not healthy because when your dog dies/job ends/kids leave home, you’re fucked. Unless you’re talking about a medical alert/therapy/service dog then yes that makes more sense to me.

As for who am I to say that? A random mumsnetter. Just like you are, sharing your opinion. Just like any other mumsnetter who shares an opinion you don’t like.

Shoxfordian · 20/03/2025 06:13

It sounds like you should have been training the dog properly, you had 14 years to do that and completely failed to do so which is why you ended up in this situation

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