Changes to PIP

[Orangesandlemons77]

It looks like to qualify for PIP people will need 4 points in one area, see here from the Times
"In future, ministers will require applicants to score at least four points on at least one activity to qualify"
Not sure if this means in each section (care, mobility)

This would exclude quite a few people I think

Only people receiving PIP will be guaranteed the health element/ LCWRA of UC. The health element / LCWRA will be reducing by around £50 a week for new claimants I think next year.

Oh I see. Is the PIP assessment more rigorous than the WCA? What sort of effect do you expect to see from this?

Rent is paid, fit or not fit, young or old, purely on income/savings.

Being on DLA/PIP guarantees nothing. 🤷‍♀️

Nothing whatsoever is set in stone yet. It’s at the green paper stage. Which is the consultation stage.

First, they have to get it through parliament and changes to the law as it currently is will have to be made. There are a whole lot of ifs.

It’s also not quite what it seems. The assessment criteria is going to change to be easier to get the points in the first place. So, even though you will need 4 points in an area and you currently only get 3, under the new assessment rules, you would get 4 anyway.

So, try not to panic. Nothing is going to come into affect until at least November 2026.

And I think the government are aware of the increase in the sort of nasty people who vote Reform and have to look like they are doing something to keep those potential voters on side.

Some aspects of it are not open to consultation though. There is a chart on the green paper that outlines this.

So it’s nothing to do with the fact it’s projected to rise to 100 billion by 2030 then?

I don’t know but as I said, the actual assessment process will change so that although you require more points, those points will be easier to get.

I read that only a small percentage of people on PIP work. 16% which isn't very high.

Presumably because people need a supportive employer and / or the kind of professional skills that allow wfh self-employed. I have both. Not everyone has.

I understand the need to reduce mental health claimants. I don't understand why they are punishing working adults with serious physical conditions. I didn't ask to get multiple sclerosis. I would swap it tomorrow if anyone wants it and my PIP. Disability has cost me a fortune not least because I can no longer work full time.

Under the current assessment criteria, assessors use the fact that someone can work to award them zero points. That is set to change.

Then it makes no sense that someone will have to be on PIP to claim the new sickness element of UC.

The terminology is a bit weird isn’t it? Why is Limited Capacity to Work, now described as a “health element” or a “sickness element”?

Is that LCWRA?

Yes, LCWRA is being scrapped and replaced with a 'health element' that can only be accessed if you claim PIP...

hi im getting confused with all the changes so please can somebody help with my question

so if you are on UC and get the health top up £416.19 and pip but in the future your pip review does not give you the 4 point starting score thus meaning you now dont qualify for pip does that mean you lose all your Limited capability for work and work-related activity and trans relief from esa when the dwp migrated me

if that were the case then just on UC would be a loss of £650 a month and losing pip £737 =£1153 a month so would be living on £400 a month UC at the basic rate,is that really correct

i realise it wont happen overnight but just trying to see what could happen

many thanks

Where have you read that points will be “easier to get?”

Ah I see. Thanks.

A reliable source told me. There’s no guarantee of anything yet but I think it’s best to try and stay positive. Write to MPs etc.

What's a reliable source in this context? It's not mentioned in the green paper

They won’t be.

Targeting Personal Independence Payments for those with higher needs by changing the eligibility requirement to a minimum score of four on at least one of the daily living activities to receive the daily living element of the benefit, in addition to the existing eligibility criteria

The criteria isn’t changing.

Nothing in the green paper so not sure how your reliable source can possibly know.

You’re wrong - the entire assessment process is changing. If this gets through parliament.

I guess we’ll find out. But no point worrying atm.

It would be absolutely pointless for Labour to go to all this work changing the rules only to make no savings and humiliate themselves at the next GE.

Sounds like wishful thinking to me..