Changes to PIP

[Orangesandlemons77]

It looks like to qualify for PIP people will need 4 points in one area, see here from the Times
"In future, ministers will require applicants to score at least four points on at least one activity to qualify"
Not sure if this means in each section (care, mobility)

This would exclude quite a few people I think

The other thing about OT Is that it varies region to region.
Our area does offer sensory integration to autistic children but ONLY if they have motor issues as well.

So I have two children with severe sensory processing issues that are disabling but only the one who is also dyspraxic is entitled NHS support. The other has to pay private.

Same with access to CAMHS for anxiety locally, no access for autistic children.

There is tons of ignorance on here.

My son went from school refusal and mental health disorders (didn't leave the house for years and didn't attend any of school from year 6 -11) to now living away from home at university precisely because we were able to access benefits which funded private treatments where there are gaps in services.

Does this government think that depriving benefits is good for the economy in the long run? If we'd left our son to it without support he'd likely still be sitting in his room refusing to eat. Now he's likely able to fully function and won't be reliant on benefits.

I know that he is a success story but attacking the disabled without having adequate healthcare and education services in place is woefully misguided if it is intended to achieve economic benefit.

I can't quite believe that this Labour government has abandoned it's core values to do this.

Indeed. Our dd has been referred by paediatrics. We (her parents) were instead invited to a parents workshop. At the end, we were told it was the last session of its kind they would be holding due to lack of resources. So I'm surmising that neither one to one, nor groups, support is now being provided in our area.

As it happens, we did pay privately for OT in the end. And before someone shouts at me about us using benefits to pay for a private service, it came out of our own pocket. However, I'm aware that we're fortunate in our financial situation and certainly wouldn't begrudge another family in our position paying privately from benefits in order to get their child the support they need to attend school.

From what I could work out, there will be a 'health element' to UC, which you qualify for only if you qualify for the daily living component of PIP.
So, sneakily, they're using the reduced scope for PIP (now need 4 points in a single area to get Daily Living) to also affect the new version of LCWRA.

Sorry if that's more stressful x

I paid privately for private services out of benefits for my children.

And why not? If the public services are inadequate and the child needs support, that's what DLA is for!

They did say the reduction in LWCRA is for new applicants, it will be frozen for existing claimants.

Completely agree. Particularly when it's clear that public services have been so badly damaged that there's little hope of improvement. I'll do whatever I can, however I can, to help my child to thrive rather than survive. Who wouldn't?

Autism and Adhd are not minor conditions .

The fact you can then go on to say a bit of common sense and would make them easily self managed is a breathtakingly ignorant comment about neurological disorders.

I'm presuming you wouldn't show the same kind of ableism towards Parkinsons or Multiple Sclerosis.

Autism is NOT a minor condition. It might be for high functioning but it severely disables my son.

I won't be surprised if claims for pip go up. I mean long term you can't manage on just the basic UC

I thought that. Seems poorly thought through.

@RejoiceandSing no people would still need a minimum of 10 points to get pip but you’d need a single question with 4 points as well.

If anything a lot of people will loose pip, and those who apply won’t get it under these new rules.

What do you mean under 22 can't claim health elements?

So between leaving education and 22 severely disabled young adults just starve?

And high functioning is only high functioning until you're no longer functioning at all due to unmet/ unmanaged needs. My then 6yo undiagnosed dd was 'high functioning' (I.e. no learning difficulties) until she completely shut down and could no longer leave the house, let alone get to school.

Thats not PiP.
Housing element is part of UC

To the people wondering how it’s going to influence PIP.

I get daily living and enhanced mobility.
Daily living was 10 points so VERY close to enhanced. With the new ‘rule’, I get …. nothing
Enhanced mobility was 12 points on 1 question (there’s only 2 questions anyway) so I’m supposed to keep that.

Many people will get fucked by the system (which is the aim).

Yep.
Or the expectation is that mum and dad step up. No choice.

I'm in the same situation. Do that will mean I can't pay for the care my mum currently gives me. I'll have to go to social services and cost the government more. I don't expect my mum to do it for free especially as it costs her in petrol.

Well thought out, eh?

Nah.
I dint think claims will go up.

But social care cost will. Which is fine because it’s local councils that foot the bill so 🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️🤷‍♀️
fwiw PIP was created for that reason - to move the responsibility of care from the SS in local communities to people because they could finance the help they need themselves.
So I’d expect a rise in claim for a PA instead for example.

It's horrific.

They may have no family or a parent may exist on carers allowance having had to give up a career to look after them.

Talk about throwing the most vulnerable under the bus.

I am shocked by the need to score 4 on one descriptor for daily living.
i have enhanced for both components at the moment as i have moderate CP
i score 2 points on most descriptors, excluding continence needs. I have many aids and adaptions, some bought from my pip, some provided by OT, wear clothing without buttons etc
i can imagine I may just scrape or lose even standard daily living.
Having said that, the green paper will need to pass first
im slightly confused about the combined contribution based ESA/ JSA too as I was placed in ESA group without need for further assessment
in my opinion Keir Starmer appears to be a sociopath.
Thinking of everyone who is worried about further challenges to daily life

So under 22 won’t be able to claim pip?

If you have an EHCP education can go up to 25.
That's not to say I agree with the change, but hopefully it covers a lot of the young people who will otherwise fall through the gap.

I don't know, I just went off the PPs initial post.

But regardless if they can claim PIP but not UC health elements that means they will lose hundreds per month.

These are some of the most vulnerable people. If their families can't afford to support them they'll end up in the residential care system somewhere at a cost of thousands. Its madness.

Normal transition from DLA to PIP is 16, how would it work if you can’t claim till 22??