Anyone watched the Gabby Petito documentary

[Worriedsickmostofthetime]

So disclaimer first… I have only watched the first episode. Not worried about spoilers because obviously we all know how the story ends. The story is told from the perspective of people in Gabbys life, her friends and her family.

Whilst it is evident given what happened that Brian is guilty of what he did. Did anyone notice how often Gabby clicked her tongue or rolled her eyes at him in annoyance.

Considering you feel that laughing emojis are appropriate….well, I’ll leave it there

You don't have any other actual 'justification' for why you watched it...so yes, best you do.

Who'd have thought the offence that could be caused by pointing out the bleeding obvious, that Netflix is indeed an entertainment channel.

Wow.

Dreadful fucking thread.

So you think murder is nuanced, but offence taken by posters isn't?

Yes, murder is nuanced. That’s why there is first degree murder, second degree etc etc
And why often people are tried in a court of law when they are accused of it.
If BL hadn’t taken the coward’s way out and he had been tried in court, everything discussed on this thread would be brought up at the trial and more. To determine if it was premeditated or reactionary.

Again, and I can’t fucking believe I have to keep saying this for the hard of thinking, HE IS NOT EXCUSED FOR WHAT HE DID

But details matter.
Unless you are the sort of person that just enjoys earning virtue signal points to make you feel better, of course.

I would like to see his parents out on a stand and questioned. They must know more about the circumstances surrounding her death, especially given the first thing he did was made multiple phone calls to his parents after the event. I am gobsmacked they have gotten away with their behaviour

@Errors What details matter? I believe he wrote a confession in a diary saying he killed her so we know he's the murderer. It seems as though there's a history of domestic abuse there which escalated to murder. She was hit on the head and strangled which obviously isn't an accident.

What details matter?

Agreed. We have text evidence of his abusive behaviour, witnesses saying they'd seen him hitting her, a confession - what more need is there other than to pull apart a victim and excuse yet another woman dead at the hands of an abusive male?

This thread is why victims don't leave and don't report their abuse. It's honestly disgusted me that some posters need to call her annoying, highly strung etc. He strangled her to death.

He tried to say in a letter he left behind that she'd fallen and hurt herself so he decided to kill her because that's what she would've wanted.

Forensics and investigations totally dispute this. He murdered her in cold blood. And his parents obviously tried to cover up for him.

The police said the story he wrote in his diary was bullshit. He tried to make out that she was dying anyway and she begged him to end her life.

As I said, if BL hadn’t killed himself he would have been tried for her murder, yes?
His sentencing would have been entirely dependent on whether the jury found him guilty of first degree or second degree murder. In the eyes of the law, there is a difference between him planning her murder for weeks or him ‘lashing out’
Her character would absolutely be discussed in order for the jury to decide whether it was 1st degree or 2nd degree.
Literally nobody knows (apart from his parents IMO) exactly how it went down between them that night. I read the OP as almost trying to wonder how that came about by taking in to account the victim’s behaviour too.
NOT ONCE has she, or anyone else, said that she deserved it or has said he is the victim in this or blamed her for her own death. Much the same as if a jury had found him guilty of second degree murder, that is not the same as saying it’s her fault she died. NOT AT ALL.

Hence, nuance.

None of us were there.
I highly doubt this is the case, so I am talking hypothetically, but how would you feel if somehow footage emerged and she had grabbed his gun and he had to fight her to the ground to stop her from killing him? Or if she had pulled a knife on him? And he went too far? STILL DOESNT EXCUSE him killing her of course, but it sure does put a slightly different spin on it.

And if the roles were reversed and it had been a woman killing a man, my opinion would remain the same.

FFS

NO ONE HAS EXCUSED HIS BEHAVIOUR
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I know. The point I was making was that he said he killed her. Experts completely dispute his story but the fact he killed her is without doubt.

@Errors

I have no idea why you're going into hypotheticals. In this particular case:

1. There was a history of domestic abuse
2. He confessed to killing her
3. She was killed in such a way that it couldn't be accidental

I don't understand why her character would be discussed. Could you explain why her character would be discussed?

I know, it's vile.

@Errors None of us were there.
I highly doubt this is the case, so I am talking hypothetically, but how would you feel if somehow footage emerged and she had grabbed his gun and he had to fight her to the ground to stop her from killing him? Or if she had pulled a knife on him? And he went too far? STILL DOESNT EXCUSE him killing her of course, but it sure does put a slightly different spin on it.

The things coming out of your mouth are just astounding.

So why are you bringing up fictional hypotheticals and discussing how they “put a different spin on it”??!
None of those things happened. Why discuss them?

They’re being typed, not spoken.

This is so pointless. I am trying to defend having a discussion on something that you’re all determined to froth at the mouth for because you DO NOT UNDERSTAND NUANCE

I shouldn’t have to defend having a discussion. It should just be ok.

For the love of god read the discussion 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Honestly the fucking idiots on here drive me to distraction. There is no nuance in this world anymore. Just rabid virtue signallers. I hope to fuck none of you ever have to do jury service.

The only one frothing seems to be you. Why would her character be discussed?

You’re making the nuance up though?
What if what if what if…?
None of those things are relevant or factual so it’s not a nuance in this case. You sound ridiculous bringing those things up.

There is nuance to this conversation and as the case could not go to trial, it's natural to wonder what led to this tragic conclusion - especially when indeed, it seemed that physical and emotional abuse went both ways in this relationship. More than 60% of domestic violence cases are mutually abusive relationships, less than 40% of domestic violence cases are one-sided violence case. We already know Gabby caused marks to Brian, whether that was reactionary abuse is yet another thing we can speculate on. No, it is of course no excuse for BL's heinous crime but context is important and as true crime is one of the most popular genres, it is only natural that it sparks conversation. It shouldn't be taboo to discuss this, regardless of the fact that of course there is no justification for BL's crime. Discussing the context of how something so bad happened and this toxic relationship escalated into this is not victim blaming, either.

Have reported it, I don't know why mumsnet are letting it stay up. Horrible thread.

Is all the swearing and caps necessary?

I'm not sure that it's clear the abuse went both ways, at all. She got annoyed with him. He murdered her.