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For telling my friend she was ridiculous to bring a 7 year old for a spa day!

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Senuousnotsensuous · 15/03/2025 21:25

My friend Emily has a 7 year old daughter Milly who she brings every time we meet up either when it’s just the two of us or with a group of our other friends.

Emily insists Milly wants to come but it’s frustrating as we can never have a conversation without her giving her opinion or Milly takes over and Emily sits smiling proudly, she often comments on her daughter’s maturity and how she loves joining us.

We do occasionally get time when Milly is at school but any weekend meet ups are the same, Milly could stay with her dad at home but apparently gets very upset when she’s not invited so Emily gives in and lets her come. We have had a few occasions where we have met up in restaurants for a meal in the evenings and Milly has often made an appearance, the whole evening ends up revolving round her.

My other friends said they were fed up with this as well, we stopped inviting Emily as often but she noticed and was hurt.
I managed to get her to meet me one to one and asked if she was being persuaded by her husband to bring Milly and said I was concerned that she never seemed to get time to herself, she insisted that wasn’t the case and said she thought we loved seeing Milly.
I explained that no one else brought their kids along and wanted adult time and as much as we liked Milly it’s frustrating to get childcare for other kids for a childfree evening then Milly being allowed to come.
Its not fair on the other kids and changes the dynamic and means Emily has to leave early. We are sick of censoring the conversation and being unable to talk freely.
Emily agreed to stop bringing Milly along unless other kids were going to be present.

A few weeks ago we booked a spa day for today for 3 of us and Emily.
The package included a 25 minute massage treatment each and use of the facilities for 3 hours and afternoon tea with Prosecco.
I didn’t think not to ask Emily not to bring Milly as surely it’s common sense?!

Well the spa was booked for 10am and Emily brought Milly. We asked her how she possibly thought this would work and she said Milly wanted to use the pool and we could watch her when Emily had her massage.
Emily was told by staff she couldn’t being Milly into the spa and got very upset and complained that she’d paid for the day, her husband refused to pick her up saying he’d agreed to work overtime now, Milly started crying hysterically.

I had no sympathy and told Emily one of the reasons we booked a spa day was in the hope of actually spending time with her alone and we never considered she’d bring Milly. My other friends were equally as unsympathetic and said she had brought this on herself and it was her own fault Milly was upset and if lost the money.

Emily had to leave with Milly and looked absolutely devastated, she didn’t apologise though she just kept saying how ridiculous it was that the spa wouldn’t let Milly in or make any exceptions.

After she left we all agreed it was time to stop inviting Emily anywhere as she obviously wasn’t going to stop bringing Milly, we were throughly pissed off about the whole thing.

One friend has just sent me a message saying Emily has been crying down the phone for hours on her and thinks we were maybe a bit harsh and that Emily said she finds it hard to leave Milly because she gets so upset when she can’t come along. She thinks we should apologise for getting so frustrated with her today.

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre and if Emily was a struggling single parent I could maybe understand it, I have had enough though and I’m not apologising, I have tried to chat about it but she’s not willing to listen.

AIBU for not being more understanding? It’s not just me, my other friends feel the same, even the friend who thinks we should apologise said she thinks it’s best we no longer invite Emily.
I don’t think Emily is ever going to take in what we are saying and she will keep bringing Milly because she can’t say no to her.

OP posts:
Sortalike · 16/03/2025 08:52

I know my DD would love to go to a spa with my best friend and I, but it is absolutely not appropriate - she could complain until she's blue in the face, but it would always be a hard No. A spa day is for adults to rest and recharge and have time away from everyday life.

They are expensive treats for everyone who has paid, clients have paid for an experience - they have not paid to watch a child play in a pool. They are not a place for a child, children are not covered on insurances, treatments aren't suitable, and no allowances can be made.

The wider issue is that Millie is being allowed to dictate to an adult at 7. She's 7 - she needs parents who set boundaries not a mum as her bestie. It will do her no favours as she grows up.

pinkdelight · 16/03/2025 08:53

She's got some kind of weird mental block, thinking Milly is different to other kids - that you all like seeing her, that she can come when no other kids come, that she's allowed in adult spaces. You've had the conversation and it's not gone in. She's got no right to rail against it and you've done everything right. YANBU at all.

Animatic · 16/03/2025 08:54

That's ridiculous, the spas in the UK do not allow children. It does sound like Emily needs a therapist.

TheaBrandt1 · 16/03/2025 08:56

Spas are often very strict. My fresh faced petite 18 year old was asked for id when we last went to one. No way on gods earth would a snotty nosed 7 year old get in

This behaviour doesn’t necessarily wear off either. My parents have had to distance themselves from a couple who are still like this about their late 40s Dd! They all have kids but somehow this particular adult child is just more special than everyone else’s run of the mill ones and is talked about non stop. Mum has reached her limit as it’s been going on for 40 years now!

Iknowaboutpopular · 16/03/2025 08:58

Some people make being a parent, once they become one, their whole personality, sole purpose in life and only topic of conversation. I usually find those people to be very weak too, unfortunately, which means they are inclined to not discipline their children and be unable to separate from them, instead trying to shoehorn them into inappropriate events.
This is Emily. I know an Emily.
Milly rules their little roost because she's never been told no. She is spoiled by her mother who probably is terrified of her kick offs so just allows her along for a quiet life.
I don't think you were unreasonable, you tried to explain and she didn't listen.

Biglifedecisions · 16/03/2025 09:00

I feel very sorry for Milly. This is an unhealthy relationship.

I would agree to meet her at bars only after 8pm. Or distance. You have been honest and she has disregarded your reasonable request.

TizerorFizz · 16/03/2025 09:00

Why does what a child wants rule? What about the other adults who didn’t bring DC? Didn’t they deserve a child free day?

Too bad if she’s upset. Just talk to the others and decide how you move on with or without Emily. She sees her child as her friend and not her child. She gives the child what she wants and cannot say “no” it would seem. I’d simply not go if the child is coming when it’s not appropriate and after this stunt I would drop Emily. But I’m keen on the expectations of a situation or invitation. A spa day with a child tagging along? No thanks.

ThePartyArtist · 16/03/2025 09:00

You could invite them only to occasions where all the kids are present. Eg. Park trips are with Emily, Millie and everyone brings kids. Grown up outings don't invite Emily.

Or specific on the adult invitations that Emily should only accept if she won't be bringing millie.

Sounds like Emily has separation anxiety or doesn't trust her husband to look after millie.

marcopront · 16/03/2025 09:01

OhCalmTheFuckDownMargaret · 16/03/2025 08:07

He actively encourages her to go out without the child but Emily refuses to listen and still takes her everywhere.

How often do people on here say look at actions not words.

He has publicly said “you should go out without Milly” but his actions tell a different story.
He didn’t say “I’ll look after Milly while you go to the spa”, he said “I’ll go to work you’re at the spa”. He didn’t think will the spa let Milly in, he didn’t think what will happen to Milly while Emily had a massage. Is that the behaviour of someone actively encouraging her to go out without Milly?

Figgygal · 16/03/2025 09:04

MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 16/03/2025 07:49

Emily has a weird codependent attachment with her kid that she needs therapy for.

Emily is a parent, not Millys bestie.

Totally agree how is she gonna cope when her dd is older and more independent? She will be lonely at this rate

stayathomer · 16/03/2025 09:11

Well done for how you all played it so far, good she knew as you went, because at some stage she’ll have to think of all the interactions and think ‘maybe I have been a bit ott bringing her everywhere!!!’

SquishyGloopyBum · 16/03/2025 09:11

marcopront · 16/03/2025 09:01

How often do people on here say look at actions not words.

He has publicly said “you should go out without Milly” but his actions tell a different story.
He didn’t say “I’ll look after Milly while you go to the spa”, he said “I’ll go to work you’re at the spa”. He didn’t think will the spa let Milly in, he didn’t think what will happen to Milly while Emily had a massage. Is that the behaviour of someone actively encouraging her to go out without Milly?

How can you possibly know what he did or didn’t say?

Why are you trying to blame the dad? This is the mums issue.

Ifeellikeateenageragain · 16/03/2025 09:15

I think its worse than what it seems on the surface. My mother persisted in taking me everywhere to everything. It's only in recent years I've clocked that my mother is a narcissist who needs to control everyone and every situation.

Funnily enough, I'd think "poor Milly".

AlpacaMittens · 16/03/2025 09:16

crockofshite · 15/03/2025 21:27

Emily needs therapy.

Milly too, by the sounds of it.

IdasFlowers · 16/03/2025 09:18

Sounds like she's incapable of saying No to her child. I know someone who was always like that with her dc and it does the dc no favours in the long run.

MeridianB · 16/03/2025 09:18

Emily is an idiot and is doing her daughter no favours. If Milly thinks she’s above playing with other children, too, then it looks like this friendship has run its course.

RemusLupinsBiggestGroupie · 16/03/2025 09:19

If Emily is real, Emily is a complete fucking idiot. The end.

PeppyTealDuck · 16/03/2025 09:21

Hopefully this was a wake up call for Emily. How bizarre.

As her friend and once she calms down, you might want to try to help her get to the bottom of why she feels she can’t go out on her own. Is she worried about being by herself? Or leaving her daughter by herself?

melonalone · 16/03/2025 09:23

The cheek of her asking for an apology after all her carry-on would be the final nail in the coffin for me

Elmo230885 · 16/03/2025 09:26

You tolerated it much longer than most, spoke to her diplomatically & honestly but she still hasn't taken it on board. People like this think the works revolves around them.

Similar but not the same I had a friend. Had. Whenever she had a boyfriend she'd insist on bringing them to everything. Not just one, every time she had a BF. Girls night out... group of women and a random bloke at the end of the table; walk around the countryside... small group of women followed by a random bloke. I'm sure if we'd booked a spa day she'd have brought whatever bloke she was seeing. I gave her a wide berth and haven't seen her for ages. A mutual friend recently invited her to her baby shower but apparently she kicked off as her DH ( so at least not a random bloke ) wasn't invited to the afternoon tea!

HurdyGurdy19 · 16/03/2025 09:26

Which of the four adults made the booking for the spa day?

If it wasnt Emily, then did she pay the person booking for two places? Or is it a pay on the day arrangement?

I am astonished that not only did she bring her daughter with her, despite previously agreeing not to, but that she then expected the rest of the group to look after Millie whilst Emily was having her treatments.

Clearinguptheclutter · 16/03/2025 09:29

I think the whole situation is fucking bizarre

this. I think you just distance yourself from Emily and the whole situation.
definitely don’t apologise!

Clearinguptheclutter · 16/03/2025 09:36

I feel sorry for Milly tbh. She is presumably missing out on hanging out with friends her own age because she’s following her mum around all the time.
Emily clearly has some kind of complicated separation anxiety issue with her daughter

I adore my kids, but I very much enjoy my time away from them.

Gemmawemma9 · 16/03/2025 09:37

Being proud that her seven year old is very mature. What a weird flex. Seven year olds aren’t supposed to be mature…they’re 7!!

NewDogOwner · 16/03/2025 09:40

So Emily has called her daughter Milly? If you haven't changed names for privacy reasons and these are the correct names, your friend sees her daughter as an extension of herself. This is why she brings her everywhere. This won't end well when Milly goes through puberty and starts pulling away.

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