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Would you resent me if I was your employee or colleague ?

482 replies

Jimisnotmyname · 14/03/2025 07:03

DC is seriously ill and inpatient in hospital. Expected to be in for several months. I have been asked by the hospital to be on side to help with various aspects of their care. In theory, I could take my notebook in and work from the ward (and do some catch up at night from home) but I am not coping. I am falling apart and not coping with anything. Would I be unreasonable to take sick leave? We get 6 months on full pay. I have been with my employer for over a decade and only was once off sick for a month (after major surgery). It would mean my colleague's holiday will have to be cancelled and I would let a lot of people down in my department and I feel hugely guilty about that. But I don't know what else to do. I know the decent thing would be to resign but I need the sick pay to cover bills. Please be honest.

yabu - suck it up and carry on working or resign.
yanbu - get signed off

OP posts:
AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 14/03/2025 09:51

Mydogisamassivetwat · 14/03/2025 09:44

Well it’s lucky the fit note would just say “personal stress” (as it did when my husband was signed off for a month for something similar).

The reason is none of the employers business. It’s also none of your business what her husband is doing. What if he was ill? or abusive? Again, you don’t know, none of your business.

I’d laugh in your face if you were my employer and you told me you wanted to work on a solution. I’d probably ask you how you intend to make my child better.

If a GP signs her off - which of course they will, it’s not her employers business as to why.

Exactly. So many employers/small business owners on here think they should get a say in how their employees arrange stuff out of work, or think they can tell employees family members what they should be doing. It’s none of their business. 💯 agree with you.

EdithBond · 14/03/2025 09:51

BIossomtoes · 14/03/2025 09:47

It doesn’t matter what kind of leave it is. The employer’s problem is exactly the same because it’s caused by her not being there. I’d be beyond furious if my holiday was cancelled.

Furious with a woman whose child is seriously ill in hospital? Really?

So if OP had a heart attack from the stress, you’d still expect her to work so you could go on holiday? Rather than expect your employer to cover both your leave?

DazzlingCuckoos · 14/03/2025 09:51

I run a small business with around 15 members of staff.

Having one member of staff out for 6 months would be very difficult and costly for me to manage, finding temps/rearranging work/doing more myself.

BUT! Your child is seriously ill in hospital. I honestly wouldn't expect you to work and would just accept that I have to make the most of a bad situation.

People come first.

feelingrobbed · 14/03/2025 09:52

Get signed off sick. Wishing you and your DC the very best

Youresopawsome · 14/03/2025 09:53

Wow! Some of the responses on this thread are diabolical. Firstly the fact that you’re caring about what others think, says a lot about your character. You’re going through life thinking about everyone else but yourself! I can bet money on it.

secondly, you’re burning the candle at both ends currently, you simply cant go on like this. You need to put yourself first for once. In order to look after your sick child, you cannot risk getting mentally unwell. Please call your doctor today, get signed off for as long as you need. You cannot be dismissed for looking after your mental health.

I wish you all the best. X

Viviennemary · 14/03/2025 09:53

You should take parental leave. If you aren't ill you shouldn't be signed off sick. But plenty of people do. But you shouldn't carry on working. You might get compassionate leave under the circumstances.

Mamma2452 · 14/03/2025 09:54

Please don't put a colleague's holiday what others might think over your and your child's wellbeing. Yes they may be annoyed but it's really not that important and as others have said it's for your employers to sort out. Many will understand that you have a sick child who needs care.

AuntieDen · 14/03/2025 09:54

EdithBond · 14/03/2025 09:48

@AuntieDen OP’s clearly unfit to work right now. Which is understandable in the circumstances. Her child is feeling like they want to take their own life and is seriously ill in other ways.

Her employer has shown themselves to be ruthless by not proactively offering paid leave. In that case, I’d recommend joining a union and seeking advice on employment rights before starting to negotiate with the employer. It’s this sort of issue that unions are there for, which is why we should all contribute to them, to help people in their hour of need.

I'm not disputing that she's not fit to work.

the thread moves on - OP has now said (after my initial comment) that her employer isn't willing to work with her. Fair enough, take sick leave.

I don't think a union will help her when as many many people have pointed out she does have a contractual right to six months fully paid sick leave and she will get signed off if she asks her doctor. After that the company probably won't pay and that won't be a union issue either, unless they sack her, which we have no indication they will.

AllThePotatoesAreSinging · 14/03/2025 09:55

DazzlingCuckoos · 14/03/2025 09:51

I run a small business with around 15 members of staff.

Having one member of staff out for 6 months would be very difficult and costly for me to manage, finding temps/rearranging work/doing more myself.

BUT! Your child is seriously ill in hospital. I honestly wouldn't expect you to work and would just accept that I have to make the most of a bad situation.

People come first.

👏👏👏👏

Flossflower · 14/03/2025 09:57

OP, I don’t doubt that you are stressed and not capable of working at the moment. I don’t think anyone would be in the same circumstances, but you seem very confident you will be signed off sick for all the time you need. The doctor who is signing you off may question it. You talk about 6 months. Is this because your sick pay will stop at sick months and you will magically recover?
If this happened and I was working with you, I would question it.

Chonkadoodle · 14/03/2025 09:58

If you were my colleague I’d wonder why you were still working tbh. I would also admire your strength and be very concerned about you and your DC. Good luck OP x

MumCanIHaveASnackPlease · 14/03/2025 09:59

If you were in my team and I were your boss I’d have filled in the sick leave request form for you.

Dollydaydream100 · 14/03/2025 10:00

Gosh, in this situation anyone who resented someone being off with their sick child doesn't deserve you to worry about them tbh.

Marshbird · 14/03/2025 10:04

Jimisnotmyname · 14/03/2025 07:15

I am not sleeping, not eating. I lost half a stone, I am on edge. I wouldn't say I am fine. People go off with stress for far less but thank you. I worry about what people think and this is probably the perception at work. It's not what I wanted to hear but helpful.

as ex employer, (private though not public sector) ….you cannot use sick leave for child illness, or anyone else’s, unfortunately, no matter how ill the person you care for is. It is a harsh reality of work - it is not a companies obligation to pay you if you can’t work, it is the governments. That’s what benefits are for. Yep, it isn’t fair or socially just. Yep it affects women way more and adds to that gender and pension gap shit we have. And it really doesn’t help in a COL crisis thst people can’t save up the ideal 6-month income savings that is recommended for everyone that would allow you to take this as unpaid leave.

However if you are genuinely not well due to stress/anxiety that you cannot manage, go to GP and get a “fitness note” to cover a 2 week period initially.

what I’d then suggest, is that you then go back to GP at end of two week (book at time of first appointment- push for it) , and get a new note, that utilises the “fitness to work” aspect, around adaptation requests to work. For instance, in this case it may be perfectly feasible for you to do reduced hours as a “phased return to work”, starting with maybe 2 hours per day, then building up to a reduced part time week, covering period whilst your dc is in hospital.

if GP agrees this is suitable, at 2 week point, or at a 4 week point, that can then be sent into employer and they have to consider it, to try to make it work.

its kind of the whole point why “sickness notes” were replaced with “fitnesses notes” quite a few years ago now. The notes state what you can do, not what you can’t.

just doing those shorter days may well mean that your colleagues can just about get by too. BUT, this isn’t your problem. Is their managers. Shit happens with colleagues getting ill themselves, god forbid dying, or leaving with short notice. That’s what management are paid to do- figure out how they’ll prioritise eveyone else’s work. That means that they will need to try to ensure booked leave, especially if money has been paid out on holiday bookings, is honoured. But that isn’t your issue, that’s between your employer, bosses, and the other individual. Don’t add guilt to everything else you are worrying about. It is NOT your job to worry about this, unless you are the boss!

however, this reduced hours on wellness notes, is not a long term option. GP and work will expect you to be able to return to work, after an absence due to stress, in around 6-12 weeks. By 4-6 weeks in they’ll also be looking at you making commitments to “help yourself” recover…they may ask for an occupational health review with a GP/nurse they appoint, and ask you questions about your treatment in terms of medication, therapy, or just healthy lifestyle like getting outside and walking each day. Companies aren’t idiots- they’ll not accept a GP just signing you off for a full 6 months up front, and not ask questions. Most GPs won’t do this anyway, they’ll be signing off in 2 week stretches to start, maybe 4 weeks at most. As much as anything a good Gp will want to see you to ensure duty of care for your mental health. If an GP accepts you saying” I need 6 months off due to having to look after my child” and signs you off for that whole 6 months, is skating close to wind with legal duties wrt benefit fraud.

be very careful how you talk about this at work. If they get wind that you’re using the fitness note to care for your child, you could find yourself having pay cut/stopped and possibly disciplinary. You must only use fitness notes for your OWN health. I’m staggered at the cavalier attitude of posters here, saying it’s perfectly acceptable. It isn’t. Sickness pay covers issues with you own health only. Legally. Maybe in public sector like nhs they have a more “blind” approach to it- maybe because they realise most of their critical workforce are women, who this shit happens to all the time, and they’d loose staff hand over fist.

The other approach is to talk direct to employer about paid, or part paid, compassionate leave. Again a phased approach might go down well, with very short hours right now, and gradually increasing. You probably know how your employer might receive this and how flexible they are. In my old company we’d certainly , in these situations, give leave on full/phased part time to trusted, long tenure employees with otherwise good “Bradford factors” and performance. Especially if that employee had banked “good will” by working longer hours, travelling abroad, etc which had previously impinged on their own work life balance. One reason why it “pays” as a women, to do this if you believe company you work for will recognise that “good will” as and when it was needed.

id also ask what is dc father doing? You may have said this but I’ve missed it! If they’re about in dc life, they too need to be sharing the care - as much as anything for your own health, you DO need to get outside and walk even for 15 mins a day if you are feeling stressed, under pressure, fearful with high anxiety. It really does help.

MyMonkeyBoy · 14/03/2025 10:09

Please get yourself signed off, OP. It sounds really hard for you at the moment, and I hope your child improves soon.

If I were your colleague, I'd be annoyed about my holiday getting cancelled, but not with you! I'd be annoyed with the company for not having any plans to cope with a situation like that! What if you were the one in hospital? Nobody would argue that you should still work then!

Please look after yourself, if you don't know, then you really might be unwell in a while! It's on your work to sort this situation, you just take care of you and your family.

Redflagsabounded · 14/03/2025 10:15

A note of caution on some of the very legally inaccurate advice on here. Not saying this would happen but as long as you follow the right procedures

You absolutely can dismiss someone for mental health issues
You absolutely can dismiss a parent whose child is ill
A six month full sick pay policy is not the same thing as being entitled to six months off. We have 6 months at full pay, 6 months at half, but noone gets to 12 months absence without being dismissed or getting ill health retirement. Our absence management process is a flexible one, but you are very unlikely to get past a month without the first stage being implemented.

AgeingDoc · 14/03/2025 10:20

There are two separate issues here OP.

  1. Your contract with your employer. 2 ) Your colleagues' contracts with their employer. You're obliged to comply with the former, and the latter is NOT your responsibility. You need to comply with your employer's sickness absence policy, and it does sound to me like you are sick. It's clearly a very stressful situation that is impacting on your mental health. See your GP and if he/she thinks you are sick you'll get a note and you're entitled to be off. The sickness absence policy will cover what happens if you are off for a long time and ultimately, yes, in most places you could eventually be dismissed on capability grounds but there is a proper process to follow. Do you work in the public sector? I'm guessing you might as 6 months full sick pay is more common. If that's the case there would definitely be a long detailed process involving HR, Occupational Health and your union if you're in one. Your line manager can't just decide to sack you one day! Occupational Health involvement should focus on getting you back to work in a controlled manner and dismissal is a last resort. You can't just be sacked willy nilly for being ill. Check the policy. Likewise, your colleagues need to be aware of their contractual obligations and those of the employer. Whilst it's not really my area of expertise, I would think your employer would be on very dodgy ground cancelling other people's leave in that kind of situation. Certainly my contact had clauses about covering for colleagues' annual leave and in emergency, unforeseen circumstances. That would include unexpected, short notice sick leave but not long term sickness which leaves time to arrange alternative cover. The cover might well include offering colleagues additional hours of course but I doubt very much that it is legal to cancel leave which they're entitled to unless there is some genuine disaster eg leave being cancelled in hospitals during the pandemic. But that is not your problem to solve. It's natural to feel guilty if you can't work and you know it's having a negative effect on colleagues, especially if you like them, but it is not your fault. If your colleagues think they are being treated unfairly then they need to raise it with management independent of you. Dealing with absence is part of a manager's job. It's not the sick person's responsibility to solve HR issues.
AliceInWonderland24 · 14/03/2025 10:20

As a senior manager, I've had similar situations arise and would have full sympathy with your situation. If anything, I would encourage you to take sick leave. That said, I would need to know how the situation would play out long-term. If you DC's health issues are lifelong, how would you build care long-term and would you be back. Sometimes, these questions cannot be answered in advance, but that's what I would need to understand. This would affect my approach to (re)shaping the team and workload. To summarize, I would have no issue with you taking sick leave (be it 6 weeks or 6 months) but I would be concerned about whether you are coming back at all. Finally, the last thing I'd want you to do right now is to work from the side of the hospital bed or at 11pm after a whole day of looking after DC. With regards to colleagues cancelling leave, it wouldn't happen in my team, but I guess it depends on the line of work you are in.

Puzzledandpissedoff · 14/03/2025 10:21

First of all I'm very sorry this is happening at all, OP, and send only the best for a full recovery for your DC and much better times ahead

You mentioned that they're expected to be in hospital for "several months", so with that and recovery time it's perhaps not unreasonable if someone thought you'd expect the full 6 months off

All that said, as a manager (retired now) I'd have done all I could to support you, while also remembering that a time may come when it's no longer sustainable

Edited to add the longer term scenario is exactly the issue, @AliceInWonderland24, only you put it much better than I did
Quite rightly OP's main concern is her DC, but the workplace has to function too and keeping them properly in the loop may well be advisable

ExcitingTimes2023 · 14/03/2025 10:23

Some of these replies on a parenting site blows my mind! Who would carry on working while their sick child was lead in hospital feeling alone in the care of strangers? Who would put their work before their child? OP has already said she is struggling and so should 100% get signed off to protect their mental health and burn out, which I guarantee is round the corner if she carries on trying to do everything. I say that as a mother and a nurse.

You are not unreasonable to speak to your GP about not coping and the impact this stress and demand is having on you. And if your colleagues are upset then do you really care what they think of you? as they clearly don’t care about you and your situation. Any good colleague would be concerned about the wellbeing of you and your child, not about covering in my opinion. (That’s how it is in my work place anyway).

Part of your managers job is work force planning so they need to step up and do their job. What would happen is you have flu or become ill the week of your colleagues holiday? They wouldn’t be expected to drop everything last minute and this is no different. In fact, surely it is better as your manager has time to find a solution!

protect yourself and put your family first. We work to live not live to work.

AliceInWonderland24 · 14/03/2025 10:24

fruitbrewhaha · 14/03/2025 09:42

This.

Im surprised by how many people rush on to say “get signed off, put your family first”. But how can you expect a small or medium sized business to cope without an employee and pay them whilst they are not working. when the business has to stop paying you you’re going to be screwed. If you need this job you need to keep working.

I think you need to fight with the hospital over providing the care. They can’t expect every child in hospital has a parent who can drop everything to become a nurse.

OP has 6 months of full sick pay hence unlikely to be working for a small or medium business. And that's what insurance is for.

ChicaWowWow · 14/03/2025 10:25

Oh God, no I would not resent you at all! I'd cancel my holiday in a heartbeat and offer to help any way I can. I'm so sorry you're going through this. Sending strength and love ❤️

pearbottomjeans · 14/03/2025 10:27

UndermyShoeJoe · 14/03/2025 07:06

The person who’s holiday would be cancelled and loose out on what they have paid would be very mad I’d expect. Not exactly your fault but not really fair either the company should sort cover.

Wow. I'm glad I don't know people who would be mad that their holiday is cancelled because someone's actual real life precious child has, for example, cancer. Talk about 'not really fair'! Get some perspective.

ChicaWowWow · 14/03/2025 10:28

Jimisnotmyname · 14/03/2025 07:37

We get middle rate DLA which is used to cover certain aspects of my child's condition/disability. It's about £72 per week. It's nowhere near enough to replace my wage and it's not a wage replacement in any case but is used for DC (and pretty much gets all spent that way). It's clearly not the financial answer.

Do you have a mortgage? Could you have a mortgage holiday to help a bit?

Diningtableornot · 14/03/2025 10:28

Unless you are too ill to work (which is quite possible in these difficult circumstances)I think it would be compassionate leave or perhaps childcare leave (or whatever it's called), but yes, definitely ask for it.
But could you just provide enough cover from the hospital for a week or two to allow your colleague to go on holiday? Or could your employer arrange other cover? It doesn't sound fair that she should have to cancel and perhaps lose money, disappoint family members and create a childcare problem for her as well.