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NHS England to go is Keir being unreasonable?

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43percentburnt · 13/03/2025 11:25

I don’t work for the NHS but have friends who do (and are increasingly looking at leaving - in some cases to move abroad).

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx29lrl826rt

Is the removal of NHS England a good thing? Or is this a Labour gimmick?

To include an Aibu for Keir -

Yes Keir - you are being unreasonable

Or

Good job Keir, please get rid of NHS England - you are NOT being unreasonable

Keir Starmer scraps NHS England to bring health service back under 'democratic control' - live updates

The PM says abolishing "the arms-length body" will reduce duplication and save money that can then be spent on frontline services.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/cx29lrl826rt

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marmaladeandpeanutbutter · 01/05/2025 17:09

If I did anything it would be to undo the integrated care boards. They’re partisan often, and I’ve seen them totally blank the strong public opinion they have canvassed. Also the Tories brought the private sector on to them and set targets for their use, so they’d have to go.

Zilla1 · 02/05/2025 09:46

Have seen my local mental health trust are running a redundancy exercise to remove most occupants of two levels of operational management from what I had thought of previously as being the 'front line'.

As these are direct line managers of patient-facing staff, it could fall within one of the Wes Streeting statements I remember of not removing 'front line' staff from cuts but if that's the interpretation then it would put many nurses in the firing line.

It could be a local response to budgetary pressures rather than acting on direct instructions from the Departmental chain of funding and 'command'.

The current iteration of the new target operating model organisation chart has the flattest management structure and widest span of control I remember seeing in the NHS and across the Civil Service too. I don't envy the 'lucky' ones who pass the assessment centres! and interviews to keep their 'new and improved' roles. It remains to be seen if any of the current managers who know how difficult it is to keep the plates spinning managing insufficient staff and significant long term sickness and the personal legal risks then they will become responsible for many more multiples of staff numbers. The Directors appear to have escaped unscathed. HR have not impressed by driving through an interesting approach to 'consultation' so some of those affected have had an early reminder HR is not their friend,.

Eze · 05/05/2025 08:28

“who in their right mind would buy NHSE”

Palantir. The US company being paid millions upon millions to create a data platform for NHS data. In a couple of years all NHS data will run through this platform. They’ll also create dashboards too. NHSE do this at the moment. That’s how the NHS is being sold off, sneakily underhand.

Eze · 05/05/2025 08:37

At the moment, ICBs and NHSE, and also CSUs can process, analyse and distribute all our NHS data. All controlled within the U.K. Slashing jobs and abolishing NHSE will hand control of all our data to a US company. What could possibly go wrong

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