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Mark Carney taking on Trump

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RedHot2025 · 10/03/2025 16:03

Fighting talk from Mark Carney today. He will win the trade war with America. Blames Trump entirely for this trade war.

He will apply from today 25% surcharge on energy to the 3 US states they supply. Means around 100 dollars per month per family in those states.

Trump is a buffoon as well as a bully and people will not tolerate his actions.

Does Trump have dementia?

Or is he thick as shite?

YABU he's just thick

YANBU he has dementia

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MrsTerryPratchett · 12/03/2025 19:08

HangryLilacGoose · 12/03/2025 18:36

I was heartened to see polling that shows that more than half of Canadians would be willing to personally participate in defending the country against a military threat. I'd expect the number of people willing to bear financial hardship would be significantly higher, and I don't expect that would change in our lifetime.

And it's interesting to me how many people have guns in Canada. Obviously in the North a lot of people do (hunting, bears etc) but even in cities a lot of people own. Which is one of the reasons 'gun control' rather than 'social cohesion' isn't the easy answer to school shootings. The Swiss, and Canadians, amongst others manage to have guns and typically not use them on each other very much.

AzurePanda · 12/03/2025 19:47

@MrsTerryPratchett yes I once listened to a really fascinating debate on
gun control and one of the things that stuck with me was the fact that there was little to no correlation between gun ownership and gun violence, either within the US or globally.

GildedRage · 12/03/2025 20:28

@MrsTerryPratchett dh had to take a firearms course a full weekend 2.5 days plus had to be vetted, I had to sign permission as his spouse. I think the whole process was relatively slow as he couldn’t purchase the shotgun until he took the course and the community only offered the course twice a year. I joined the local rod and gun and certainly enjoyed some target shooting with the on-sight equipment.

MuckFusk · 12/03/2025 20:58

TheNoonBell · 12/03/2025 13:03

Reality disagrees (my bold):

The powers granted by the act would allow banks to target the accounts of people who have donated to crowdfunding platforms, like the fundraising campaigns on GoFundMe and GiveSendGo, that have fueled the ongoing protests, but Freeland said she would not give "specifics of whose accounts are being frozen."

https://www.newsweek.com/banks-have-begun-freezing-accounts-linked-trucker-protest-1680649

Edit to add another story about a single mother who's account was frozen for donating $20
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10535361/Canadian-MP-says-single-mom-bank-account-frozen-donating-50-Freedom-Convoy.html

Edited

"These weren’t truckers organizing a GoFundMe that at the time of that writing had yet to surpass $1 million, on the way to $8.5 million just a week later.

The principal fundraiser was Tamara Lich, the secretary of the federal separatist Maverick Party in Alberta. Prior to that role, she was active with other far-right movements such as Wexit Alberta – a party whose founder advocated for Alberta to separate from Canada and join the Trump-led U.S."

"GoFundMe froze the funds for a time until it was satisfied the money would be disbursed appropriately."

https://www.trucknews.com/blogs/the-so-called-freedom-convoy-was-never-about-truckers-or-border-mandates/

"Among the listed organizers, are Tamara Lich, Benjamin J. Dichter, and James Bauder, whom have all have some level of involvement with white nationalism, racism, Islamophobia, the QAnon conspiracy theory, far-right movements and most importantly- are not long-haul truckers.

Such an influence-and the inspiration as well as the financial contribution from several American far-right groups has been very apparent at the protests. Figures of Canadian far-right extremism such as Romana Didulo, who has called for the death of healthcare workers, took part in the Ottawa rally, and even Donald Trump expressed his support for the movement."

(Emphasis mine)

www.ispionline.it/en/publication/canadas-freedom-convoy-far-right-protest-explained-33192

That's who they were after- the people behind the GoFundMe, who were proxies for the pro-Trump, anti-government lunatic fringe. They were not after the unknowing people who were duped into donating. They may have made mistakes when doing so. But of course they wouldn't give a damn about somebody who donated twenty bucks. You'd have to have a double digit IQ to believe that was deliberate, if in fact the story has merit, which I can't speak on.

More on the organizers;

"Organizers of the convoy include individuals who openly espouse racial conspiracy theories like white replacement, and those who have ties to organised hate groups active in Canada. Nor was this all just talk: when police seized a weapons cache and arrested four men at a satellite blockade in Alberta, found among the guns and tactical gear was the insignia of the Diagolon network, a little-known far-right accelerationist group bent on government overthrow. In Ottawa, the convoy included visible displays of white supremacist symbols, including Confederate flags and swastikas. Far from a case of a few bad apples, the convoy was interwoven with white nationalist right-wing extremism from the outset."

(Emphasis mine)

www.ips-journal.eu/topics/democracy-and-society/whats-really-behind-canadas-trucker-protests-5728/

Anyone can read an article and get a surface impression without understanding what the issue is really about. I urge you to go more in depth in future and to guard yourself against propaganda. Truckers were duped, contributors were duped, and you, apparently, were also duped, in addition to a great many others. It happens. We all need to sharpen our spidey senses, especially now in the Q Anon/ Trumper cult era where dangerous misinformation is being spread in the blink of an eye.

The so-called Freedom Convoy was never about truckers, or border mandates - Truck News

Truckers who participated in a cross-country convoy culminating in protest at Parliament Hill this weekend have been duped into believing the convoy was

https://www.trucknews.com/blogs/the-so-called-freedom-convoy-was-never-about-truckers-or-border-mandates/

MuckFusk · 12/03/2025 21:07

HangryLilacGoose · 12/03/2025 13:52

An MP tweeted that story about the single mother, and the press picked it up from there, but her name did not appear on the (leaked) list of frozen accounts and the claim was generally never verified.

Aha. I thought it was probably baloney, but I didn't want to bother researching a lame story about an alleged twenty dollar donation catching to eye of the government. It's too ludicrous. Let me guess; it was a Tory MP who tweeted it?

It's a shame more people don't have healthy skepticism about things that, to borrow cop jargon, JDLR (just don't look right.) You'd think all the swastikas at the "protest" would have tweaked a JDLR reaction too.

MuckFusk · 12/03/2025 21:13

Panterusblackish · 12/03/2025 14:12

He's turned the front lawn of the white house into a Tesla dealership.

Mahmoud Khalil, an American citizen was arrested without an arrest warrant and is incarceration awaiting deportation despite having a green card for his political views.

Trump is both mad and bad and probably working for Russia. The fall of democracy isn't far away in Merika.

Can't be long until martial law gets declared

Yep, an illegal act. Advertising is forbidden on federal property. These scum break the law willy nilly and won't hesitate to punish people who oppose them if they can. They are nihilists at heart.

DearDarcy · 12/03/2025 21:17

Panterusblackish · 12/03/2025 14:12

He's turned the front lawn of the white house into a Tesla dealership.

Mahmoud Khalil, an American citizen was arrested without an arrest warrant and is incarceration awaiting deportation despite having a green card for his political views.

Trump is both mad and bad and probably working for Russia. The fall of democracy isn't far away in Merika.

Can't be long until martial law gets declared

Sorry, anyone who lives in a free county like America, shouting and showing support for Hamas - an abhorrent terrorist organisation, from College Campuses should absolutely be deported back to where they came from.

He can go and show them support in Gaza can’t he.

MuckFusk · 12/03/2025 21:24

DearDarcy · 12/03/2025 21:17

Sorry, anyone who lives in a free county like America, shouting and showing support for Hamas - an abhorrent terrorist organisation, from College Campuses should absolutely be deported back to where they came from.

He can go and show them support in Gaza can’t he.

I don't have sympathy for the likes of him either. However, do you think the Trump regime will stop there when it comes to suppressing free expression? Trump is well known for threatening to sue comedians to try to stop them from making jokes about him, and that was before his mental decline was a severe as it is now.

HangryLilacGoose · 12/03/2025 21:29

DearDarcy · 12/03/2025 21:17

Sorry, anyone who lives in a free county like America, shouting and showing support for Hamas - an abhorrent terrorist organisation, from College Campuses should absolutely be deported back to where they came from.

He can go and show them support in Gaza can’t he.

The irony is strong here.

How do you equate being "a free country" with deporting people for saying something you don't like?

As even Ann Coulter said:

"There’s almost no one I don’t want to deport, but unless they’ve committed a crime, isn’t this a violation of the First Amendment?"

Maitri108 · 12/03/2025 21:38

DearDarcy · 12/03/2025 21:17

Sorry, anyone who lives in a free county like America, shouting and showing support for Hamas - an abhorrent terrorist organisation, from College Campuses should absolutely be deported back to where they came from.

He can go and show them support in Gaza can’t he.

Do you know something others don't?

His lawyers said there was no evidence that he had provided support of any kind to US designated terror groups.

Do you have evidence that he supports Hamas? Do you believe everything Trump says?

Puzzledandpissedoff · 12/03/2025 22:02

DearDarcy · 12/03/2025 21:17

Sorry, anyone who lives in a free county like America, shouting and showing support for Hamas - an abhorrent terrorist organisation, from College Campuses should absolutely be deported back to where they came from.

He can go and show them support in Gaza can’t he.

If he really has done it then I agree, but while he denies this (well he would wouldn't he ...) I'm pretty confident the investigation will find out more

MuckFusk · 12/03/2025 22:03

Maitri108 · 12/03/2025 21:38

Do you know something others don't?

His lawyers said there was no evidence that he had provided support of any kind to US designated terror groups.

Do you have evidence that he supports Hamas? Do you believe everything Trump says?

You prompted me to look into this further. In fact there has been no evidence offered. Thank you for alerting me to this.

Maitri108 · 12/03/2025 22:16

MuckFusk · 12/03/2025 22:03

You prompted me to look into this further. In fact there has been no evidence offered. Thank you for alerting me to this.

No problem. It's very concerning. A US citizen is now in a detention camp facing deportation. Vance was recently lecturing Europe on free speech.

CJsGoldfish · 12/03/2025 22:20

DearDarcy · 12/03/2025 21:17

Sorry, anyone who lives in a free county like America, shouting and showing support for Hamas - an abhorrent terrorist organisation, from College Campuses should absolutely be deported back to where they came from.

He can go and show them support in Gaza can’t he.

The fact that he has Jewish support on campus doesn't support your regurgitating of orangehitlers propaganda. There was no crime, there was no support for Hamas. Students were protesting the college's 14BILLION towards weapon manufacturers and companies supporting Israel. He was also not part of the brief occupation of buildings that occurred. There was no crime committed, no evidence of support for a terrorist group. Orangehitler is just swinging his dick as usual.

That is not the only Jewish support either. And it's not that they support Mahmouds actions, not at all. It's far more complex than that but they understand.
https://www.jta.org/2025/03/10/united-states/a-growing-number-of-jewish-groups-are-condemning-mahmoud-khalils-arrest

This administration seems to be able to do what it likes so I have no doubt they'll invent some way this legal resident can be removed from the country for protesting. After all, he is the poster child for the orange fuckwits power play here. No student protests allowed anywhere, anymore. See if you can stop whining about this one and take in what that actually means.

AzurePanda · 12/03/2025 22:20

He is not a US citizen and he has had multiple allegations made against him.

Hardly surprising that his lawyer would deny he had done anything to put his Green Card status at risk.

Maitri108 · 12/03/2025 22:44

AzurePanda · 12/03/2025 22:20

He is not a US citizen and he has had multiple allegations made against him.

Hardly surprising that his lawyer would deny he had done anything to put his Green Card status at risk.

Green card holders are entitled to the same First Amendment protections as US citizens and he hasn't been charged with anything. There's no evidence of any crime.

Hardly surprising his lawyers would state the facts.

HangryLilacGoose · 12/03/2025 23:03

AzurePanda · 12/03/2025 22:20

He is not a US citizen and he has had multiple allegations made against him.

Hardly surprising that his lawyer would deny he had done anything to put his Green Card status at risk.

Those pesky lawyers, always pointing to "the law".

AzurePanda · 13/03/2025 08:31

He is entitled to a hearing and he will get one at which time the allegations against him will be heard. While no crime of material support for a terrorist organisation (or any other crime) is legally necessary in the US to deport an alien, the distribution of material supporting Hamas would certainly qualify which is what he’s accused of.

What a pity people aren’t as invested in due process for protestors in many Muslim countries as they are for protestors in the USA.

Also ironic that the same people who call Trump “Hitler” are so quick to defend a person accused of disseminating propaganda with Hamas iconography, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the murder and annihilation of all Jews.

Perhaps there is no evidence of his guilt, in which case we should find out at his hearing.

CJsGoldfish · 13/03/2025 12:06

AzurePanda · 13/03/2025 08:31

He is entitled to a hearing and he will get one at which time the allegations against him will be heard. While no crime of material support for a terrorist organisation (or any other crime) is legally necessary in the US to deport an alien, the distribution of material supporting Hamas would certainly qualify which is what he’s accused of.

What a pity people aren’t as invested in due process for protestors in many Muslim countries as they are for protestors in the USA.

Also ironic that the same people who call Trump “Hitler” are so quick to defend a person accused of disseminating propaganda with Hamas iconography, a terrorist organisation dedicated to the murder and annihilation of all Jews.

Perhaps there is no evidence of his guilt, in which case we should find out at his hearing.

There is no indication he did any of the things you claim he's 'accused of'
Well, apart from Karoline Leavitt saying so and she's hardly an authority on anything 🙄
Nor are there multiple allegations.

Whilst a green card and permanent residency can indeed be revoked, there is due process to do so which orangehitler is attempting to circumvent in everything he does. Khalil hadn't been charged with a crime but the democratic decline under the orange dictator means it doesn't really matter if there is NO evidence

Student activism in support of justice and freedom for Palestinians is not inherently equivalent to expressing support of terrorism or of Hamas’s violent attacks on Oct. 7. The allegation that it is, which has been broadly advanced by President Donald Trump’s administration, is a shameful and deeply dangerous mischaracterization

Anyway, I didn't come up with this statement, but I do agree with it. It is from here: https://forward.com/opinion/703534/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-authoritarianism/

I grew up under a terrifying authoritarian regime. Mahmoud Khalil's arrest is right out of their playbook

Mahmoud Khalil's arrest by ICE reminds one professor at Columbia University, Khalil's alma mater, or her childhood in authoritarian Romania.

https://forward.com/opinion/703534/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-authoritarianism

DearDarcy · 13/03/2025 12:59

CJsGoldfish · 13/03/2025 12:06

There is no indication he did any of the things you claim he's 'accused of'
Well, apart from Karoline Leavitt saying so and she's hardly an authority on anything 🙄
Nor are there multiple allegations.

Whilst a green card and permanent residency can indeed be revoked, there is due process to do so which orangehitler is attempting to circumvent in everything he does. Khalil hadn't been charged with a crime but the democratic decline under the orange dictator means it doesn't really matter if there is NO evidence

Student activism in support of justice and freedom for Palestinians is not inherently equivalent to expressing support of terrorism or of Hamas’s violent attacks on Oct. 7. The allegation that it is, which has been broadly advanced by President Donald Trump’s administration, is a shameful and deeply dangerous mischaracterization

Anyway, I didn't come up with this statement, but I do agree with it. It is from here: https://forward.com/opinion/703534/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-authoritarianism/

How much are the democrats paying you for this? 😂

AzurePanda · 13/03/2025 13:14

Actually there is some evidence already in the public sphere, the Instagram posts of the group he helped co found for one.

In any case, unlike many countries around the world, the US is a democracy and has a clear legal process for dealing with situations such as these. Moreover, the conditions under which a Green Card can be revoked have always been publicly available.

I repeat, you don’t need to be charged with a crime in order to have your Green Card revoked. He will get his hearing with debates currently underway as to where it will be held.

MrsTerryPratchett · 13/03/2025 13:20

AzurePanda · 13/03/2025 13:14

Actually there is some evidence already in the public sphere, the Instagram posts of the group he helped co found for one.

In any case, unlike many countries around the world, the US is a democracy and has a clear legal process for dealing with situations such as these. Moreover, the conditions under which a Green Card can be revoked have always been publicly available.

I repeat, you don’t need to be charged with a crime in order to have your Green Card revoked. He will get his hearing with debates currently underway as to where it will be held.

Any published articles with pictures of those posts?

AzurePanda · 13/03/2025 13:37

I’ve read about the posts in a number of places although press articles don’t tend to reproduce pictures of instagram posts, in any event the good news is that unlike the way protestors are treated in the majority Muslim countries he is going to have a hearing where evidence will be presented.

Mark Carney taking on Trump
CJsGoldfish · 13/03/2025 15:04

AzurePanda · 13/03/2025 13:14

Actually there is some evidence already in the public sphere, the Instagram posts of the group he helped co found for one.

In any case, unlike many countries around the world, the US is a democracy and has a clear legal process for dealing with situations such as these. Moreover, the conditions under which a Green Card can be revoked have always been publicly available.

I repeat, you don’t need to be charged with a crime in order to have your Green Card revoked. He will get his hearing with debates currently underway as to where it will be held.

Can you show this 'evidence'? I can wait 😂

I don't think you are grasping the fact that there was not going to be any kind of due process. He will only get his hearing because a lawsuit was lodged AFTER he was rounded up for removal. I repeat, the democratic decline no longer guarantees any due process. For anything

There is also no process for immediate revocation of permanent residency. Because that is not how it actually works. There is no power to revoke the rights of permanent residents at will
I'm not sure if you are being purposely obtuse 🤷‍♀️

CJsGoldfish · 13/03/2025 15:17

DearDarcy · 13/03/2025 12:59

How much are the democrats paying you for this? 😂

Which part 😂

You don't explain what you took issue with to prompt such a deflective response. Is there a particular part that you feel is inaccurate?

There is no indication he did any of the things you claim he's 'accused of'
Well, apart from Karoline Leavitt saying so and she's hardly an authority on anything 🙄
Nor are there multiple allegations.
Am I wrong? I'm happy to consider any evidency you have if you think I am

Whilst a green card and permanent residency can indeed be revoked, there is due process to do so which orangehitler is attempting to circumvent in everything he does. Khalil hadn't been charged with a crime but the democratic decline under the orange dictator means it doesn't really matter if there is NO evidence
Hmm. could it be this bit you object to? Was the due process followed and I just missed it?

Student activism in support of justice and freedom for Palestinians is not inherently equivalent to expressing support of terrorism or of Hamas’s violent attacks on Oct. 7. The allegation that it is, which has been broadly advanced by President Donald Trump’s administration, is a shameful and deeply dangerous mischaracterization
Do you not agree with this? I mean, I thought the source was pretty solid and worth listening to. If you don't, that's ok, but I'd love your thoughts about why you feel that way :)

^Anyway, I didn't come up with this statement, but I do agree with it. It is from here: https://forward.com/opinion/703534/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-authoritarianism/^

I grew up under a terrifying authoritarian regime. Mahmoud Khalil's arrest is right out of their playbook

Mahmoud Khalil's arrest by ICE reminds one professor at Columbia University, Khalil's alma mater, or her childhood in authoritarian Romania.

https://forward.com/opinion/703534/mahmoud-khalil-columbia-authoritarianism

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