Mark Carney taking on Trump

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Fighting talk from Mark Carney today. He will win the trade war with America. Blames Trump entirely for this trade war.

He will apply from today 25% surcharge on energy to the 3 US states they supply. Means around 100 dollars per month per family in those states.

Trump is a buffoon as well as a bully and people will not tolerate his actions.

Does Trump have dementia?

Or is he thick as shite?

YABU he's just thick

YANBU he has dementia

People suck. They are selfish and only care about saving a dollar today, not thinking of the future or of others.
Not all, but unfortunately it's the majority IMO.
I'm speaking of the middle and upper income folks obviously. The working class shouldn't be paying much tax to begin with, including sales tax, which should be rebated if you are in the lowest tax bracket.

Neither is remotely close to an ideologue and both have profited off of politics.

They're both malignant narcissists who go in whatever direction they believe will increase their personal wealth and power. Musk supported Trump because he got mad at Biden for not inviting him to an EV summit and wanted an administration that would get rid of regulation of pretty much every kind, and Trump got mad at the world because Obama made fun of him at the WHC dinner. I despise both of them, but Steve Bannon and, I guess these days, JD Vance, are true ideologues.

Musk was a Democrat 5 minutes ago, happy to take exactly the kind of money from the Obama administration he's trying to deny others. He has somewhat tanked Tesla in recent days, but estimates are that he'd increased his wealth by close to double since the election. Trump was at the head of a failing and flailing business. The election (and the 100 million he made off his meme coin, most likely from Chinese and Saudi sources) are the only reason he's as wealthy as he is.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/elon-musk-net-worth-trump-b2665395.html

Trump has changed his mind again, he’s now not planning to increase tariffs on Canada,

Put your tarrifs in
Take your Tariffs out
In, out, in out, shake em all about
You get your ket n cokey
You turn around
Thats what it's all about

Musk's mum's on You tube blaming socialist commie democrat liberals for being unkind about her boy. Poor wee thing😁

😂

Right - you can't just ship in electricity from elsewhere like gas. There's no national grid in the US - if your local supplier goes down, that's it - you're on generators in the street.

"you're on generators in the street".

So you can literally ship it in then. The army, construction projects do it all the time.

Reality disagrees (my bold):

The powers granted by the act would allow banks to target the accounts of people who have donated to crowdfunding platforms, like the fundraising campaigns on GoFundMe and GiveSendGo, that have fueled the ongoing protests, but Freeland said she would not give "specifics of whose accounts are being frozen."

https://www.newsweek.com/banks-have-begun-freezing-accounts-linked-trucker-protest-1680649

Edit to add another story about a single mother who's account was frozen for donating $20
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-10535361/Canadian-MP-says-single-mom-bank-account-frozen-donating-50-Freedom-Convoy.html

Yes, for projects or emergencies, but that's not feasible for whole areas or neighbourhoods and can't really power daily life/businesses/schools efficiently. They're enormous and noisy and expensive to run and rely on natural gas or propane, which is dangerous unless the lines and tanks are buried, or, sometimes, diesel, which is not a nice thing to breathe in.

An MP tweeted that story about the single mother, and the press picked it up from there, but her name did not appear on the (leaked) list of frozen accounts and the claim was generally never verified.

He's turned the front lawn of the white house into a Tesla dealership.

Mahmoud Khalil, an American citizen was arrested without an arrest warrant and is incarceration awaiting deportation despite having a green card for his political views.

Trump is both mad and bad and probably working for Russia. The fall of democracy isn't far away in Merika.

Can't be long until martial law gets declared

The first post-leadership election poll I've seen (Nanos) has the Conservatives just 1% ahead. To think we're only a month or so out from 20%+ Conservative leads.

And I'd expect a tactical vote against the Conservatives in a close election, too.

A lot can still chance, of course, but such a reversal in fortunes.

I really need to hear the conservative platform vs mark carneys platform because the liberal party under trudeau was bad.

😅perfect for Bigly. Would you buy a car from this man? Stocks go much lower and he'll be flogging his furniture outside the White House. How much for this solid gold toilet? 😂

@Panterusblackish Khalil is not an American citizen. He is a green card holder married to a US citizen and is accused of distributing pro Hamas leaflets featuring the logo of Hamas.

You do understand that when emergency generators are deployed it is only for essential use (e.g. domestic, essential retail, clinics and hospitals etc)? Anyone trying to run a factory or any other power-hungry non-essential business has no choice but to shut down.

I think it was Marco Rubio who said recently that green cards/visas of Hamas supporters will be revoked?

Naturally Mahmoud Khalil's denying being any such thing, but his reported activities at Columbia go a bit beyond just "political views", so while some will insist he's a victim it may be worth waiting to see what the evidence turns up

I've actually used them myself on remote locations.

They work fine. US Army deploys massive generation power on a regular basis to power bases, some of which are equivalent to small cities in terms of their demand.

Yes, I would imagine there would be some optimisation of consumption. It would not be a drop in like for like solution and there would probably be rationing. But it wouldn't be the disaster some people on here seem to think it would be. People in the US actually tend to be less dependent on the grid because of the distances involved and the potential for power outage. The UK is a pretty benign environment in comparison.

Would it be disruptive ? Yes. Would it allow people to continue as they are ? No. However it would not be a disaster if the US lost one quarter of one percent of it's power, and rapid deployment of extra local generation capability would be used to mitigate the effects, as well as utilisation of existing generation capacity.

Edit : And most hospitals actually have backup generators in place anyway due to the amount of electrical equipment used nowadays.

I think some people don't appreciate how interdependent the USA and Canada are when it comes to energy.

Yes, Ontario could "shut-off" electrical supply to the small portion of the US it supplies. And that would be disruptive (to say the least!).

But what happens if the US shut down the pipeline that transports crude oil to Ontario?

https://www.canadianenergycentre.ca/big-vulnerability-how-ontario-and-quebec-became-reliant-on-u-s-oil-and-gas/

From the above:

“The concern is that in the worst-case scenario where the Americans want to really hurt our country, they have the ability to stop all crude oil flows to Ontario,” she said.
That action would also cut off the majority of oil supply to Quebec.
The issue isn’t much better for natural gas, with about half of consumption in Ontario and Quebec supplied by producers in the U.S."

So the issue isn't quite as simple as shutting off electricity.

I suspect that whatever else comes out of this debacle that both countries will be seeking ways to be less reliant/vulnerable on each other when it comes to crucial energy services. And that isn't a bad thing in and of itself.

the east coast has ports and could get their oil and gas via tankers, Quebec already does that. I do think good things can come from this experience.

If you get into a trade war with a country 10x bigger than you it is going to hurt you 10x as much as it hurts them. That is the short of it.

You can argue round the houses about details like how you've got your own supply of blue cheese or you can put up your own dairy sheds in 2 minutes or breed a whole bunch of cows pretty much ad infinitum. But it is all pretty pointless.

Yes @GildedRage - not a disaster but a disruptive and costly inconvenience, similar to shutting of electricity to portions of several states.

Either of these actions were unthinkable until now. I don't believe we'll see this scenario play out, it's a bit too "crossing the Rubicon" for two countries who will likely remain significant trading partners once the dust settles.

Quebec with its unique views and First Nations I believe stand more to loose should Canada be annexed. I envision a whale (usa) spitting out QU. The us won’t tolerate the language bs and associated $$.

I was heartened to see polling that shows that more than half of Canadians would be willing to personally participate in defending the country against a military threat. I'd expect the number of people willing to bear financial hardship would be significantly higher, and I don't expect that would change in our lifetime.

@HangryLilacGoose good thing most people I know didn’t “turn in” their shotguns as per the liberal gun plan. I can’t use dh massive bear gun due to recoil, but he can and maintains his license. I’ll check the gun safe and count our ammo :)