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AIBU?

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My sister's been sacked - AGAIN!

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Scottysister · 09/03/2025 11:18

Not so much AIBU but more is ISBU - Is She Being Unreasonable?

My younger sister has just been fired from her third job in seven years. Middle management in the private sector.

She’s coming to stay with DH & me in a couple of days & I’m dreading it. How she’s been picked on/bullied/forced out will be the only topic of conversation. I want to support her but how can I (kindly/nicely) point out to her that her behaviour & personality are a massive factor in what keeps happening? She just doesn’t see it.

She’s early 50’s - not had a partner for 20years or so. No children or friends either. Her work is EVERYTHING to her. She is so passionate about it & expects everyone on her team to be the same. But they aren’t. They have a life outside of work but sadly she doesn’t. Each new job is the best she’s ever had. Until it isn’t. Each new team is absolutely brilliant. Until they aren’t. I do think she gets results and is good at the technical side of her job. Just really bad at the people/relationship side. The hours she works (through choice) are ridiculous.

She’s never been a particularly easy person to be around. Very intense & tightly wound. When we see her we’re all constantly walking on eggshells for fear of saying something that will upset or annoy her. Our elderly mother in particular. Her moods can be awful & she doesn’t take any criticism well. I think over the years the whole family has avoided saying no to her for fear of the explosion of anger & moods. I don’t think we’ve done her any favours with that approach.

I live at the other end of the country so we don’t see each other that often. She comes up maybe two or three times a year. We’re never invited to stay with her. I do message but she’s not great at replying - maybe a thumbs up or a very brief reply. Just says she’s super busy at work. She rarely messages me.

The previous sacking happened because she lost her temper with a junior member of her team & shouted/swore at them about something pretty minor. This was in front of a client. She couldn’t see that she had played any role in events. Kept saying that everyone had it in for her & it had been orchestrated. That she’d been victimised, bullied etc. She came to stay after that & it was awful. Gentle attempts to point out how wrong her behaviour was, didn’t go down well at all. She said I was blaming her & she was the victim in all this. I also suggested she thought about some counselling but she said that was ridiculous & it was the others who needed it not her.

I tried to be positive with suggestions to stop it happening again. Maybe work fewer hours, take time off, get a hobby, keep it professional with the team, try & nip any issues in the bud etc etc. Clearly that all fell on deaf ears.

I don’t know the full detail of what’s happened this time yet but (again) her new team has turned against her. Reported her to HR for various things and she’s out. She sounded so angry on the phone yesterday.

I’ve read about DARVO & a lot of that seems to fit. She thinks she’s the victim because she’s been fired, but her behaviour led to it - again!

How can she not see she’s the common denominator? What’s the best way to have a conversation about this? DH & I can’t just bite our tongues for the duration of the visit. How do you talk to someone who doesn’t listen? Has anyone got any tips or advice? Am dreading it.

So sorry this was really long.

OP posts:
user2848502016 · 09/03/2025 19:04

I had a friend like this - whenever she gets fired it's never her fault just other people picking on her blah blah. Then she gets a new job and it's the best job ever and it's a blessing she was fired....and then the cycle starts again. It's really draining to keep having to listen to it and I have distanced myself.
More difficult for you when it's your sister though

ItGhoul · 09/03/2025 19:20

DrAnnaTaylorRyan · 09/03/2025 18:04

Just to give you food for thought - the history of autism misdiagnosis in women is that a LOT of autistic women have been given borderline personality disorder diagnoses instead of having their autism diagnosed. This article tries to set out the difference.

embrace-autism.com/its-not-bpd-its-autism/

It doesn’t actually matter what is driving her behaviour, though, because it would be entirely unacceptable in the workplace regardless. If she has a personality disorder or a neurodivergent condition that prevents her from behaving appropriately, that doesn’t mean her employer has to put up with her bullying and verbally abusing her colleagues. Allowing someone to scream and swear at their colleagues would not be considered a ‘reasonable adjustment’ for a health condition or disability.

DrAnnaTaylorRyan · 09/03/2025 19:23

ItGhoul · 09/03/2025 19:20

It doesn’t actually matter what is driving her behaviour, though, because it would be entirely unacceptable in the workplace regardless. If she has a personality disorder or a neurodivergent condition that prevents her from behaving appropriately, that doesn’t mean her employer has to put up with her bullying and verbally abusing her colleagues. Allowing someone to scream and swear at their colleagues would not be considered a ‘reasonable adjustment’ for a health condition or disability.

I didn't say it would!

I was just reflecting on the OP saying that from looking up borderline personality disorder it sounds like sister.

Well if sister has always been like this it's much more likely to be autism. Which is just about the way OP thinks of her sister. Thinking she is possibly autistic is very different from thinking she possibly has a personality disorder.

LiesDoNotBecomeUs · 09/03/2025 23:35

You don't see her often - but do try to stay in touch with her so it sounds as if this is a relationship you want to keep despite its challenges.

On the visit - initially, I'd let her tell you all about it and just listen. Do not try to argue her out of her point of view. (It won't work and will stress you... and it will prolong the discussion.) Do not give advice even if you would like to! Just let her talk it all out. Be a neutral listener - reflect back her thoughts and feelings if response is required ('I can see that you feel angry about that' or 'so you say that...')

Once that is done - I'd change the subject if it came up again. (You could point out that she is repeating herself if it all comes out again but I'd just not react and would notice/remark on something else.

Does she have any sure-fire distractions? What subjects can she not resist ? Have these ready.

Scottysister · 23/03/2025 13:47

Well she’s been & gone. Amazingly she didn’t talk about work once! Last time it was wall to wall, 24/7 but this trip - nothing. I wasn’t going to raise it when she didn’t. But I still can’t quite believe she didn’t.

We did a few nice things, lunches out, garden centres, farmers’ market etc which I think she enjoyed.

As her visits go it was ok. She drank an awful lot tho’. DH & I like a drink so am not being judgey, but this was another level. Despite this she didn’t kick off which is unusual & a result. Overall she was fairly subdued.

Am just so relieved it’s over.

OP posts:
ExcessiveNumberOfNinjas · 23/03/2025 13:48

Scottysister · 23/03/2025 13:47

Well she’s been & gone. Amazingly she didn’t talk about work once! Last time it was wall to wall, 24/7 but this trip - nothing. I wasn’t going to raise it when she didn’t. But I still can’t quite believe she didn’t.

We did a few nice things, lunches out, garden centres, farmers’ market etc which I think she enjoyed.

As her visits go it was ok. She drank an awful lot tho’. DH & I like a drink so am not being judgey, but this was another level. Despite this she didn’t kick off which is unusual & a result. Overall she was fairly subdued.

Am just so relieved it’s over.

Perhaps she's read this thread 😁

Silvers11 · 23/03/2025 13:56

Glad it all went ok in the end!

NaomhPadraigin · 23/03/2025 15:20

Glad it went relatively well.

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