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Naunet · 08/03/2025 10:38

PreventPomtoPerson · 08/03/2025 09:06

Nobody said they weren’t allowed to have sex. But teachers are supposed to be professionals and when relationships with colleagues (whether extra curricular or not!) spill over into professional lives as per the “love triangle” mentioned in the press, it becomes an issue.

I know it says love triangle, but that could just mean both men were persuing her. It's not fair to attack her character when we've heard nothing from her and don't even know what happened.

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 10:44

The headteacher will definitely not be returning to his role will he and quite rightly. He is obviously unstable and has committed a criminal offence. I find it abhorrent that he became jealous when he found out the woman he was having an affair with was cheating on him, despite the fact he was cheating on his wife. And then to fly into a rage and try to (it seems) kill someone in front of the children he’s meant to protect. I’m unsurprised that op is upset.

The deputy and female member of staff have also played a part in bringing the school into disrepute, through unprofessional conduct, particularly in a RC school. They have been named on social media. I see them resigning before they are pushed. I hope the deputy makes a full recovery.

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 10:50

Naunet · 08/03/2025 10:38

I know it says love triangle, but that could just mean both men were persuing her. It's not fair to attack her character when we've heard nothing from her and don't even know what happened.

That would be a one sided crush.

A love triangle is where all parties are romantically entangled.

DyslexicPoster · 08/03/2025 10:52

This post reminds me of threads where people defend the NHS at all costs even when people are found dead waiting in A&E. Just waiting for someone to blame the pupils. Hardly a great example of following Keeping children safe in education is it? But it seems lots of reasons why it's not OK to discuss and be horrorified.

35965a · 08/03/2025 10:54

The fact he emailed staff ahead of doing it, apologising for what was going to happen that day makes it so much worse. The premeditation, I suppose. Sick that many people witnessed this. Also shocking that someone so unstable could be in charge of a school.

RobinHeartella · 08/03/2025 10:55

Bringmeahigherlove · 08/03/2025 09:40

Upstanding Catholics!

Why is OK to say offensive stuff like this about Catholic people?

If a singular criminal in a news story happened to be Muslim or Jewish or Sikh or whatever, we would not accept people saying "Golly, those Sikhs, eh?!"

It's not ok. This violent man does not represent Catholicism

Naunet · 08/03/2025 11:00

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 10:50

That would be a one sided crush.

A love triangle is where all parties are romantically entangled.

It's the Daily Mail!

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:00

I’m Roman Catholic and certainly would not behave in this manner. Nor would I conduct affairs with married men or otherwise at work. I think there are different levels of fault all around.

School is a place where children should go and feel safe. Children should be the main focus of all staff. During school time, teachers should be thinking about their children’s education and welfare and should leave their personal lives at the gate. I say that as a teacher.

Plenty of times I’ve had a personal concern or upset, and if I don’t fee I can leave it at the door, I don’t go in, because nothing should distract you from your main goal of teaching and looking after those children and I’d expect the same for my own kids.

It’s very concerning that this has happened, and I hope this is an isolated case, but I’m sure disgraceful behaviour is going on all over the country, where people are forgetting their priorities.

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:01

Naunet · 08/03/2025 11:00

It's the Daily Mail!

It’s not just the Daily Mail.

And it will now I’m sure become a part of teacher training going forward.

Glorybox2025 · 08/03/2025 11:06

RippedJeansAndCashmere · 08/03/2025 04:53

Why is a woman blamed for violent men?

I speculate that the female teacher turned down the deranged headteacher.

I further speculate that the deranged headteacher then got mad when she started dating the deputy head.

I was going to say this. What evidence is there that this woman was involved with either of these men? This man is clearly a violent abuser by his own actions - I think it's far more likely he was fixated on a colleague who wasn't interested than that there was a woman in the school having two simultaneous affairs at once!

batt3nb3rg · 08/03/2025 11:06

mellongoose · 08/03/2025 08:14

There are so many teachers on MN and they often take strange twists and turns in order to defend each other and make sure they never do anything wrong.

This is indefensible and the OP has every right to post.

Totally unacceptable behaviour and chilling. It should be highlighted.

I am still shocked by the amoral teachers on mumsnet who tied themselves up in knots trying to make a poster into a villain for wanting to complain about her daughter's teacher using a misogynist swear word against her daughter in a class of seven and eight year olds. They genuinely asked why the poster couldn't accept that her daughter had deserved to be sworn at!

Naunet · 08/03/2025 11:07

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:01

It’s not just the Daily Mail.

And it will now I’m sure become a part of teacher training going forward.

OK, well if you want to take it as fact because of a line in the Daily Mail (and other papers?) that was written based around what a violent thug told police, without ever hearing from the woman involved, knock yourself out I guess.

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:07

Chuchoter · 07/03/2025 23:06

How awful for his own children to not only lose their father whilst he is jailed but also to learn he was cheating on their mother and involved with a woman from work who was also involved with another man at work!

What a sordid mess of his own making and I hope he gets a lengthy prison sentence.

Yeah I was thinking that when I read he was married. How humiliating for his wife!!

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:08

Naunet · 08/03/2025 11:07

OK, well if you want to take it as fact because of a line in the Daily Mail (and other papers?) that was written based around what a violent thug told police, without ever hearing from the woman involved, knock yourself out I guess.

I can assure you that’s not what I’m doing.

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:10

Why is a woman blamed for violent men?

I speculate that the female teacher turned down the deranged headteacher.

I further speculate that the deranged headteacher then got mad when she started dating the deputy head.

Seems like a logical assumption.

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:11

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:07

Yeah I was thinking that when I read he was married. How humiliating for his wife!!

His wife should not feel humiliated. This isn’t her behaviour. He is the humiliated one.
His wife might have picked a dud, but now hopefully she has a second chance, despite the initial upset this will cause. I feel sorry that her world has imploded and for her children who have to be associated with this madness, but I hope they don’t feel an ounce of personal shame.

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:13

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:10

Why is a woman blamed for violent men?

I speculate that the female teacher turned down the deranged headteacher.

I further speculate that the deranged headteacher then got mad when she started dating the deputy head.

Seems like a logical assumption.

She is not blamed for violent men. Only her own behaviour which has not put the children in her school first.

She isn’t responsible for the HT actions, but she is responsible for her own which have not been professional.

Dollydaydream100 · 08/03/2025 11:17

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:13

She is not blamed for violent men. Only her own behaviour which has not put the children in her school first.

She isn’t responsible for the HT actions, but she is responsible for her own which have not been professional.

Edited

Are you the woman in question?

Because if not - you have absolutely no idea what happened here.

Id suspect a man who would try to kill another teacher in a premeditated attack probably isn't "quite right in the head" and could be set off by many things.

I had a male work colleague once stalk me and smash my car windows when I rebuffed his advances. Did I deserve that because I spoke to him and was kind to him at first at work? Because I'm sure some people who found out about it thought he'd been a jilted lover.

The female teacher has done nothing wrong as far as we know.

BlumminFreezin · 08/03/2025 11:19

Stories like this are always so frightening.

The specifics of why he did it or who was shagging who or whatever are kind of irrelevant.

The facts are that he emailed the whole staff in advance, showing clear pre-meditation, then essentially tried to murder another staff member IN FRONT OF children, during the school day.

He was clearly extremely emotionally and mentally unstable, plus thick as pigshit without even any attempt at self-preservation.

Utterly terrifying that someone like that managed to get a job as head of a school.

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:21

Dollydaydream100 · 08/03/2025 11:17

Are you the woman in question?

Because if not - you have absolutely no idea what happened here.

Id suspect a man who would try to kill another teacher in a premeditated attack probably isn't "quite right in the head" and could be set off by many things.

I had a male work colleague once stalk me and smash my car windows when I rebuffed his advances. Did I deserve that because I spoke to him and was kind to him at first at work? Because I'm sure some people who found out about it thought he'd been a jilted lover.

The female teacher has done nothing wrong as far as we know.

Let’s say hypothetically - it’s a discussion.

Lots of women have affairs with married men, it isn’t uncommon.

I don’t dispute that the HT is clearly “not right in the head” as you put it.

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:25

@DancingButterflies I know it is absolutely NOT her (the wife of HT) shame, and that she should never take anything of his actions on her, but it will be very difficult to be publicly known like this and I really feel so deeply sorry for her and her children suffering because of the actions of her (soon to be ex hopefully) deranged husband.

ALovelyShadeofMauve · 08/03/2025 11:25

Do I have to be the woman to know whether it was an affair?

Well to know you’d need to be involved somehow. Are you?

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:29

She isn’t responsible for the HT actions, but she is responsible for her own which have not been professional.

We don't know this. It may not be a "love triangle" as per Faily Mail. She may have simply rejected him right off the bat. I can't see anywhere in that article it says if she or the Deputy Head that was attacked were married so I don't know if they have been unfaithful. They might have just started a relationship and that was enough to enrage the rejected Head. Who knows? More details to come I'm sure and then we will be better able to say.

DancingButterflies · 08/03/2025 11:32

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:29

She isn’t responsible for the HT actions, but she is responsible for her own which have not been professional.

We don't know this. It may not be a "love triangle" as per Faily Mail. She may have simply rejected him right off the bat. I can't see anywhere in that article it says if she or the Deputy Head that was attacked were married so I don't know if they have been unfaithful. They might have just started a relationship and that was enough to enrage the rejected Head. Who knows? More details to come I'm sure and then we will be better able to say.

Of course.

PreventPomtoPerson · 08/03/2025 11:33

CorduroySituation · 08/03/2025 11:29

She isn’t responsible for the HT actions, but she is responsible for her own which have not been professional.

We don't know this. It may not be a "love triangle" as per Faily Mail. She may have simply rejected him right off the bat. I can't see anywhere in that article it says if she or the Deputy Head that was attacked were married so I don't know if they have been unfaithful. They might have just started a relationship and that was enough to enrage the rejected Head. Who knows? More details to come I'm sure and then we will be better able to say.

It’s not an affair unless one or both of you are married, surely?