To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?

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The way things are shaping up I'm beginning to think the USAs negotiations with Putin were for USA to stand aside and let Putin have part of Ukraine and for Russia to support the US to take Greenland.

NATO is functionally dead and the US has killed it. It has dismissed its own role on the world stage.

That's it's prerogative, and it's our prerogative to react and respond accordingly.

with all due respect im only debating when others debate with me, thats what part of mumsnet is about is it not, or do i need to sit in the quiet section and have everyone lecture me instead ?

Natos members did that themselves, they took the teeth out of it,

Seriously China?

What has America done that is anything like what China has done to the Uyghurs in Xinjiang? On top of locking up around 1 million Uyghurs they have been subjected to intense surveillance, forced labor, and involuntary sterilizations, among other human rights abuses.

And that's who you want to ally with?

Protest?

Trump threatens funding cut to colleges allowing 'illegal protests'

https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-federal-funding-will-stop-colleges-schools-allowing-illegal-protests-2025-03-04/

Just leave the site and find somewhere where your opinion is welcome.

Trump’s way of operating

Do you honestly think the US doesn't have options? Look at the Canadian-US pipeline map. Canada doesn't SELL their sour crude to the US per se. They pipe it from Western Canada down into the US to be refined because Canada lacks the ability to refine sour crude. Then we send the refined product up into Eastern Canada. The Canadian government canceled the pipeline that was supposed to carry crude directly from W Canada to E Canada. If you turn off our electricity, we'll cut oil exports to Canada. And halt the cloud computing for your banking system, because that's based in the US, too.

https://insideclimatenews.org/infographics/map-major-pipelines-carrying-canadian-oil/

Also, Canada does not have the moral high ground here. You tariff our goods at up to 250%, but we put a 10% tariff on your stuff and you freak out. How about a level trading field where nobody tariffs anyone else's stuff? The world would be richer for it.

so your in favour of people breaking the law ? it was an illegal protest. should lawless become the norm ?

my point stands its true nato did it themselves

China had a terrible human rights record. I'm not arguing that it's a morally better country than the US.

The difference is one is an immediate threat that we are not readily prepared to deal with alone; the other is likely a long term threat but at least we can use the additional time to invest in our own defence.

can you tell me if you speak for every single mumsnet user ? then stop trying to be a dictator

It's part suggestion, part request, not a direction.

If only Americans were better adept at identifying dictators.

Criticise?

Job candidates at federal agencies are being questioned on their loyalty to Trump.

Among the questions: Would you be willing to serve as a spokesperson for mass deportations? Which of Trump’s executive orders is your favorite? Who won the 2020 election?

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-06/trump-white-house-vets-job-candidates-on-loyalty-to-the-president

When is a protest illegal?

When Trump says so.

The high % figures aren’t normal tariffs but are over-quota tarrifs, meaning the tarrif rate is only charged in when imports surpass the set quota. Over-quota tariffs are rarely triggered, meaning these goods are generally traded with zero tarrifs. This was an agreement brought in by - guess who - Trump!

This is an area where the British should think twice about throwing stones, to be fair.

when its not legal or following the correct measures for a peaceful protest eg Blocks Traffic or Public Services eg school and education

Don't you know that Americans on MN are supposed to shut up, send any amount of money that Europe demands, put boots on the ground, die in our thousands if necessary and never, ever protest? After all, they are our intellectual superiors and we are just barbarians with money, so we owe it to them. Or something.

At what cost? China won't do it out of the goodness of its heart.
Hopefully not all Europeans are as morally bankrupt as you are.

Who decides a protest is 'illegal'?

it does seem that way at times, its like they say people want democracy but only when its their view and any other view and they shout how dare you say x or how dare you say anything other than trump is bad etc

The government and law enforcement, in every country, the UK included (which has clamped down on rights to protest in recent years).

Plenty of arguments to be had with the US; this is not one of them.

in our usa it has different rules for when protests are allowed so the law has already made those decisions