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To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?

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FancyRedRobin · 05/03/2025 09:02

The way things are shaping up I'm beginning to think the USAs negotiations with Putin were for USA to stand aside and let Putin have part of Ukraine and for Russia to support the US to take Greenland.

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MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2025 19:39

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:33

Without Googling, who is that mask based on?

Parker231 · 08/03/2025 19:39

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:30

well its alot better than people just shouting trump is a buffoon etc at least i try to engage in a debate

Trump is a buffoon and I hate him - facts

AmIthatSpringy · 08/03/2025 19:40

@LovingHare There's no debate to be had around saying trump is a buffoon.

That's a fact

DuncinToffee · 08/03/2025 19:42

Or Mango Mussolini

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:45

yea, may be he is

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:46

now anyone putting the kettle on and having a nice cuppa ?

ForeverScout · 08/03/2025 21:11

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 08/03/2025 16:20

We cannot be any clearer. Canada is a sovereign country. Sonia the US. States can’t just decide to leave because they feel like it. Not can the US just take over Canada because they feel like it.

All of this is the rantings of a lunatic without any legal basis.

Canadians are united, strong and resolute. We don’t want anything to do with joining any part of the US.

Oh I wasn't suggesting that you would. I think more likely is California wanting to become a province of Canada. They'd get universal healthcare, a secure democracy and a respected passport, Canada would get a huge economic boost and a lovely holiday destination.

Would never happen obviously, I was being somewhat facetious.

MuckFusk · 08/03/2025 21:26

Overtheatlantic · 06/03/2025 16:55

He wants resources that the U.S. doesn’t currently have, namely fresh water, as the Earth gets hotter. In terms of those resources I would imagine that Greenland and Canada are worth more in the future than the US.

Yes. Canada has 20% of the world's fresh water, so it is all set to be a resource superpower as the planet heats up. Of course the US wants control of that, plus the lumber and minerals which they are heavily reliant on. Canada is their top supplier of the construction grade softwood they use for building, as well as critical minerals like aluminum, copper, nickel and uranium. Greenland certainly does not have lumber, but they do have an abundance of minerals.
One of the things Trump did in his first term was cancel all pollution control measures in the great lakes. So Canada does all of that for both countries while the US takes far more than their share of great lakes water. Yet Trump says Canada is screwing America. Fucking liar.

MuckFusk · 08/03/2025 21:44

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 16:02

but its false logic to presume that because they failed againt cuba that they would fail against canada

It's not even comparable. Canada has NATO allies which Cuba does not have. They haven't had military help since the USSR fell. Yet still, the bumbling US couldn't defeat a tiny, poor and pretty much defenseless place like Cuba. What chance do they have against a huge, rich country which has allies to defend it? It would be like Germany trying to take Russia in WW11. The country was too vast, too cold and too well defended for them and they got their asses soundly kicked. God help us all if they try it, because it would take nuclear weapons to accomplish. Then they would render the natural resources useless because of radiation (in addition to killing millions of their own people) and Canada would have no value to the US.

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 21:53

If the U.S. wanted to control Canada’s resources legally but unethically, it could do so through economic, political, and corporate dominance rather than military force.

First, U.S. corporations could buy up key Canadian industries, including oil, water, and agriculture, while lobbying for deregulation to strip away environmental protections. Debt-trap tactics encouraging government borrowing followed by strategic bailouts could give the U.S. leverage over national infrastructure.

Politically, the U.S. could influence elections by funding pro-American candidates and using media control to shape public opinion. Trade agreements like USMCA could be structured to favor U.S. interests, ensuring Canadian resources are sold at low prices with little say in the matter. Expanding U.S. corporate influence in Canadian banking, real estate, and telecom would further erode independence.

Control over natural resources would be key. The U.S. could push for water privatization, making Canadian freshwater a for-profit industry controlled by American companies. Similarly, farmland, mines, and energy production could be gradually acquired through corporate buyouts. By limiting alternative export routes, Canada would be forced to sell oil and gas to the U.S. on unfavorable terms, ensuring American energy security at Canada’s expense.

MuckFusk · 08/03/2025 22:13

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 21:53

If the U.S. wanted to control Canada’s resources legally but unethically, it could do so through economic, political, and corporate dominance rather than military force.

First, U.S. corporations could buy up key Canadian industries, including oil, water, and agriculture, while lobbying for deregulation to strip away environmental protections. Debt-trap tactics encouraging government borrowing followed by strategic bailouts could give the U.S. leverage over national infrastructure.

Politically, the U.S. could influence elections by funding pro-American candidates and using media control to shape public opinion. Trade agreements like USMCA could be structured to favor U.S. interests, ensuring Canadian resources are sold at low prices with little say in the matter. Expanding U.S. corporate influence in Canadian banking, real estate, and telecom would further erode independence.

Control over natural resources would be key. The U.S. could push for water privatization, making Canadian freshwater a for-profit industry controlled by American companies. Similarly, farmland, mines, and energy production could be gradually acquired through corporate buyouts. By limiting alternative export routes, Canada would be forced to sell oil and gas to the U.S. on unfavorable terms, ensuring American energy security at Canada’s expense.

That assumes the government would not spot this tactic and enact protectionist legislation to prevent it. Some of that would be possible if the Tories get in, but even they would have to do something.

Why don't you use your own opinions instead of just cribbing the nonsensical stuff AI puts out. You do know people can spot AI crap, right?

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 22:15

@MuckFusk i needed a fast analysis and dont have hours to research it all

DuncinToffee · 08/03/2025 22:18

Maybe Canada can join Europe? Bit like Australia in Eurovision

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 22:19

one question all why do the worlds leaders have their
Bilderberg Meetings each year ?

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 22:30

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 22:15

@MuckFusk i needed a fast analysis and dont have hours to research it all

But the AI is spouting rubbish. Why would Canadian industries sell to American companies? Why would they sell full stop? How do you think a company “buys up Canadian agriculture “ 🤷‍♀️. I don’t think Canadian agriculture is one homogenous company which can be bought.

canadian water isn’t privatised like in the U.K. so can’t be bought.

canadian oil companies are private but the resources and the regulation of the industry is controlled by the govt.

the USA can’t influence Canadian media…not mainstream media. Guess they could pay people to go and post drivel on the forums. But even so I can’t imagine it would work to influence an election. You under estimate how patriotic Canadians are and how much they dislike the usa. There are no pro American candidates so they have missed that boat as a new prime minister will still be in place and will out last Trump.

how can the US push for water privatisation? They have no say in it.

they can make terms as unfavourable as they want for Canada to sell stuff to the USA but doesn’t mean Canada will have to sell. They have other options and ultimately they have the upper hand in this. They will set up trade with other countries..The USA needs those resources more than Canada needs the money in the short term. If it’s a game of chicken I think Canada will hold out longer.

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 22:35

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 22:19

one question all why do the worlds leaders have their
Bilderberg Meetings each year ?

I don’t think there’s many world leaders that go. Prime minister of the Netherlands but then it’s people like the mayor of Le Harve and various organisation CEOs. https://www.bilderbergmeetings.org/meetings/meeting-2024/participants-2024

that website will also explain the purpose of the meetings, it has a page for the topics discussed last year.

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 08/03/2025 22:51

ForeverScout · 08/03/2025 21:11

Oh I wasn't suggesting that you would. I think more likely is California wanting to become a province of Canada. They'd get universal healthcare, a secure democracy and a respected passport, Canada would get a huge economic boost and a lovely holiday destination.

Would never happen obviously, I was being somewhat facetious.

All good and apologies if I read it wrong. Maybe we should take over Alaska - makes sense from a land perspective

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 22:59

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 08/03/2025 22:51

All good and apologies if I read it wrong. Maybe we should take over Alaska - makes sense from a land perspective

Or let Russia have it…it’s only 55 miles from mainland Russia to Alaska. Or 2.5 miles if you count the Diomede islands. And Russia used to own Alaska. I think Alaska should be given back to the Russians. I don’t agree with the sale of the treaty involved in handing Alaska over to the US, i totally disagree with it and think it should be revisited.

🧐😁

Fangisnotacoward · 08/03/2025 23:00

Given the "elbows up" mantra Canada has given, the mass removal of US alcohol and other goods, I very much doubt Canadian companies are open to being bought out by any US firms right now.

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 08/03/2025 23:16

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 22:59

Or let Russia have it…it’s only 55 miles from mainland Russia to Alaska. Or 2.5 miles if you count the Diomede islands. And Russia used to own Alaska. I think Alaska should be given back to the Russians. I don’t agree with the sale of the treaty involved in handing Alaska over to the US, i totally disagree with it and think it should be revisited.

🧐😁

Yeah not sure we want to share a border with Russia.

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 23:18

Rainingalldayonmyhead · 08/03/2025 23:16

Yeah not sure we want to share a border with Russia.

Yeah I’d guess the Alaskans wouldn’t be too happy about having to learn Russian either! 🤣

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2025 23:45

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 22:15

@MuckFusk i needed a fast analysis and dont have hours to research it all

FAST =/= GOOD.

LovingHare · 09/03/2025 00:14

does anyone have intel on the strategic importance of the arabian sea ?

MuckFusk · 09/03/2025 00:46

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 22:15

@MuckFusk i needed a fast analysis and dont have hours to research it all

Then good luck getting anybody to debate with you. Nobody wants to debate AI, they want to debate other people with real opinions.
I won't be bothering again.

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