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To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?

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FancyRedRobin · 05/03/2025 09:02

The way things are shaping up I'm beginning to think the USAs negotiations with Putin were for USA to stand aside and let Putin have part of Ukraine and for Russia to support the US to take Greenland.

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Serpentstooth · 08/03/2025 18:15

Its dreary as hell. 26 pages of attempting conversation with an automaton. Penny in the slot, please.

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:18

well everyone stuck around and hope you enjoyed debating until next time,

Psychostates · 08/03/2025 18:19

BIossomtoes · 08/03/2025 18:15

It’s pointless reporting. There was one of these (less obvious than this one) on another thread the other day. I reported and was ignored.

I reported this poster just before. I've explained as accurately as possible, so here's hoping. It is a major breach of all MN guidelines.

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:21

Psychostates · 08/03/2025 18:19

I reported this poster just before. I've explained as accurately as possible, so here's hoping. It is a major breach of all MN guidelines.

how is your assumptions make me the villain, you all want democracy and i gave you that, its not my fault my views are different, ive tried to be respectful

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:22

what do people prefer trump is bad or a debate instead ?

Psychostates · 08/03/2025 18:22

Everyone, I think our best bet is to not engage. Funny how it is running away now we've correctly identified him/her/them/bot/ or what ever has been making these ridiculous posts. I only engage with genuine human beings, as I believe in freedom of speech, and not scripted nonsense.

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:22

hardly a democracy if your soon quick to censor others views that you dont agree with

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:23

Psychostates · 08/03/2025 18:22

Everyone, I think our best bet is to not engage. Funny how it is running away now we've correctly identified him/her/them/bot/ or what ever has been making these ridiculous posts. I only engage with genuine human beings, as I believe in freedom of speech, and not scripted nonsense.

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so you come on to a thread to personally attack a poster, what great manners you have, thats a rule break right there

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:45

Democracy. A word that rolls off the tongue like honey, sweet and noble. Everyone claims to want it, to cherish it, to defend it.

But let’s not kid ourselves democracy is not a warm blanket you wrap yourself in when the night gets cold. It’s a battlefield, messy and unforgiving, where ideas clash and the strongest arguments prevail. Or at least, that’s how it’s supposed to be.

Yet, here we are, in an age where people sing democracy’s praises while silencing the voices they don’t agree with. They call it 'censorship for the greater good,' as if democracy can survive by gagging dissent. They shout 'bot' at anyone who dares to challenge their worldview, dismissing arguments not because they’re weak, but because they’re inconvenient. It’s not democracy they want it’s an echo chamber, a choir of nodding heads singing the same tired tune.

Let me ask you this: what kind of democracy thrives on fear?
Fear of opposing ideas, fear of debate, fear of losing the argument. True democracy doesn’t flinch in the face of disagreement. It thrives on it. It demands that we confront the uncomfortable, that we wrestle with the unfamiliar, that we sharpen our minds against the grindstone of opposition.

But no, they’d rather take the easy way out. Label the dissenters, dismiss the challengers, and call it a day. They don’t want a democracy they want a dictatorship of their own design, where the only voices heard are the ones that flatter their fragile egos.

So, to those who cry 'bot' and censor what they cannot refute, I say this: you are not defenders of democracy. You are its greatest threat. Because democracy dies not with a bang, but with a whisper a whisper that says, 'Only my voice matters

Serpentstooth · 08/03/2025 18:49

Ho hum.

BIossomtoes · 08/03/2025 18:50

🥱 😴

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2025 19:03

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:45

Democracy. A word that rolls off the tongue like honey, sweet and noble. Everyone claims to want it, to cherish it, to defend it.

But let’s not kid ourselves democracy is not a warm blanket you wrap yourself in when the night gets cold. It’s a battlefield, messy and unforgiving, where ideas clash and the strongest arguments prevail. Or at least, that’s how it’s supposed to be.

Yet, here we are, in an age where people sing democracy’s praises while silencing the voices they don’t agree with. They call it 'censorship for the greater good,' as if democracy can survive by gagging dissent. They shout 'bot' at anyone who dares to challenge their worldview, dismissing arguments not because they’re weak, but because they’re inconvenient. It’s not democracy they want it’s an echo chamber, a choir of nodding heads singing the same tired tune.

Let me ask you this: what kind of democracy thrives on fear?
Fear of opposing ideas, fear of debate, fear of losing the argument. True democracy doesn’t flinch in the face of disagreement. It thrives on it. It demands that we confront the uncomfortable, that we wrestle with the unfamiliar, that we sharpen our minds against the grindstone of opposition.

But no, they’d rather take the easy way out. Label the dissenters, dismiss the challengers, and call it a day. They don’t want a democracy they want a dictatorship of their own design, where the only voices heard are the ones that flatter their fragile egos.

So, to those who cry 'bot' and censor what they cannot refute, I say this: you are not defenders of democracy. You are its greatest threat. Because democracy dies not with a bang, but with a whisper a whisper that says, 'Only my voice matters

Batshit. Pure fuckwittery.

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:10

@MrsTerryPratchett Every word of it is true. Democracy such a noble strong concept. Men and women bled, suffered, and sacrificed for it. They stormed beaches, endured trenches, and faced the kind of horrors most of you can only imagine, all so that we in the here and now can speak freely, think boldly.

And yet, how easily we forget. Now, instead of cherishing the diversity of voices that democracy demands, we dismiss them. We slap on a convenient label bot,' 'troll,' 'fake' and wave them away, not because they threaten democracy, but because they challenge our views. It’s not an argument anymore, is it? It’s a shouting match, a contest to see who can censor the most and for what ?

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 19:12

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 18:45

Democracy. A word that rolls off the tongue like honey, sweet and noble. Everyone claims to want it, to cherish it, to defend it.

But let’s not kid ourselves democracy is not a warm blanket you wrap yourself in when the night gets cold. It’s a battlefield, messy and unforgiving, where ideas clash and the strongest arguments prevail. Or at least, that’s how it’s supposed to be.

Yet, here we are, in an age where people sing democracy’s praises while silencing the voices they don’t agree with. They call it 'censorship for the greater good,' as if democracy can survive by gagging dissent. They shout 'bot' at anyone who dares to challenge their worldview, dismissing arguments not because they’re weak, but because they’re inconvenient. It’s not democracy they want it’s an echo chamber, a choir of nodding heads singing the same tired tune.

Let me ask you this: what kind of democracy thrives on fear?
Fear of opposing ideas, fear of debate, fear of losing the argument. True democracy doesn’t flinch in the face of disagreement. It thrives on it. It demands that we confront the uncomfortable, that we wrestle with the unfamiliar, that we sharpen our minds against the grindstone of opposition.

But no, they’d rather take the easy way out. Label the dissenters, dismiss the challengers, and call it a day. They don’t want a democracy they want a dictatorship of their own design, where the only voices heard are the ones that flatter their fragile egos.

So, to those who cry 'bot' and censor what they cannot refute, I say this: you are not defenders of democracy. You are its greatest threat. Because democracy dies not with a bang, but with a whisper a whisper that says, 'Only my voice matters

You use a lot of words but say absolutely nothing.

bizarre that you appear to be for democracy but also seem to think the USA blackmailing a Canadian politician in order to get Canada would be ok.

I don’t just want to hear my own voice. I’m perfectly happy to debate with intelligent, reasoned argument…sadly you’re not providing one. I don’t see anny debate or opposing arguments. I asked you to elaborate why not being able to Implement acoup in Cuba may be different to a coup in Canada. And you gave a meaningless, nonsense answer something along the lines of “different factors”. What different factors? You don’t know or you would have been specific. I’m sure you’ll probably trot off to AI now to try and get a more detailed answer. It’s quite boring and pointless because your IQ seems to be that of a gnat. You’ll convince nobody with such weak arguments.

Even if you did provide a decent debate I’m allowed to continue to hold my own opinion even after a debate, as you are entitled to hold yours. I can still disagree with you, it doesn’t mean I’m against democracy.

Are you really saying I’m only for democracy if I agree you’re right? 🧐. Well you’ll have to pull your finger out your arse and be a better debater to have any hope.

Parker231 · 08/03/2025 19:12

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:10

@MrsTerryPratchett Every word of it is true. Democracy such a noble strong concept. Men and women bled, suffered, and sacrificed for it. They stormed beaches, endured trenches, and faced the kind of horrors most of you can only imagine, all so that we in the here and now can speak freely, think boldly.

And yet, how easily we forget. Now, instead of cherishing the diversity of voices that democracy demands, we dismiss them. We slap on a convenient label bot,' 'troll,' 'fake' and wave them away, not because they threaten democracy, but because they challenge our views. It’s not an argument anymore, is it? It’s a shouting match, a contest to see who can censor the most and for what ?

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The US no longer operates under a democracy - not really much else to say.

MrsTerryPratchett · 08/03/2025 19:12

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:10

@MrsTerryPratchett Every word of it is true. Democracy such a noble strong concept. Men and women bled, suffered, and sacrificed for it. They stormed beaches, endured trenches, and faced the kind of horrors most of you can only imagine, all so that we in the here and now can speak freely, think boldly.

And yet, how easily we forget. Now, instead of cherishing the diversity of voices that democracy demands, we dismiss them. We slap on a convenient label bot,' 'troll,' 'fake' and wave them away, not because they threaten democracy, but because they challenge our views. It’s not an argument anymore, is it? It’s a shouting match, a contest to see who can censor the most and for what ?

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No, we wonder about someone who can't spell surely or appreciate one minute, and the next is spouting flowery cobblers about democracy.

Read more books.

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:13

@CerealPosterHere its written for anyone that shouts bot instead of debating

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 19:14

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:10

@MrsTerryPratchett Every word of it is true. Democracy such a noble strong concept. Men and women bled, suffered, and sacrificed for it. They stormed beaches, endured trenches, and faced the kind of horrors most of you can only imagine, all so that we in the here and now can speak freely, think boldly.

And yet, how easily we forget. Now, instead of cherishing the diversity of voices that democracy demands, we dismiss them. We slap on a convenient label bot,' 'troll,' 'fake' and wave them away, not because they threaten democracy, but because they challenge our views. It’s not an argument anymore, is it? It’s a shouting match, a contest to see who can censor the most and for what ?

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Are you not also then engaging in the shouting match??

You can call it a shouting match, that seems to be a way of trying to shut others down. 🤷‍♀️. So you’re guilty of what you complain about.

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:14

if people debate and show why a person is wrong, that i can respect, what i find odd is people gave their lives in the wars and part of that was so we can have democracy, but so many times some posters on here just seem to shout bot or russian troll etc and shut down debate,

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:16

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 19:14

Are you not also then engaging in the shouting match??

You can call it a shouting match, that seems to be a way of trying to shut others down. 🤷‍♀️. So you’re guilty of what you complain about.

if thats what you call it if im advocating for democracy then im guilty

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 19:16

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:13

@CerealPosterHere its written for anyone that shouts bot instead of debating

People thought bot because of you lying about who you were. Or misdirecting/misinformation as you liked to term it. That and the prolific AI use. It’s your posting style which made people think you’re a bot, not your opinion.

People on mn disagree about all sorts of stuff a lot of the time. We don’t generally call people bots. So there’s a reason it was suggested you may be one.

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 19:17

I’m off to watch Britain’s got talent. It will be more intellectually stimulating than this 😁

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:19

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 19:16

People thought bot because of you lying about who you were. Or misdirecting/misinformation as you liked to term it. That and the prolific AI use. It’s your posting style which made people think you’re a bot, not your opinion.

People on mn disagree about all sorts of stuff a lot of the time. We don’t generally call people bots. So there’s a reason it was suggested you may be one.

ill agree to a point, but theres many threads on russia and the war and trump where a few times people so quick to accuse others of being bots, that its omg .

logicisall · 08/03/2025 19:27

CerealPosterHere · 08/03/2025 16:07

It’s like debating with a 5yo

I've come to the conclusion that @LovingHare is a teenager who is on a dare to see how long he can engage posters on MN. It's obvious which posts are ChatGPT, (I recognise the style of ordering information) and no attempt is made to understand the context of info in links he's posted. For example, re the link on Defense spending - there's a reason why the US has had to spend so much on defense, that doesn't apply to the UK and Europe.

It is like debating a child who just insists, without learning anything from what it's told..

LovingHare · 08/03/2025 19:30

logicisall · 08/03/2025 19:27

I've come to the conclusion that @LovingHare is a teenager who is on a dare to see how long he can engage posters on MN. It's obvious which posts are ChatGPT, (I recognise the style of ordering information) and no attempt is made to understand the context of info in links he's posted. For example, re the link on Defense spending - there's a reason why the US has had to spend so much on defense, that doesn't apply to the UK and Europe.

It is like debating a child who just insists, without learning anything from what it's told..

well its alot better than people just shouting trump is a buffoon etc at least i try to engage in a debate

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