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To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?

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FancyRedRobin · 05/03/2025 09:02

The way things are shaping up I'm beginning to think the USAs negotiations with Putin were for USA to stand aside and let Putin have part of Ukraine and for Russia to support the US to take Greenland.

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BIossomtoes · 07/03/2025 17:07

Anyone whose historical knowledge depends on Netflix really isn’t to be taken remotely seriously. You just jumped the shark @LovingHare.

Orangesinthebag · 07/03/2025 17:08

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 16:53

thats also the pickle with many countries etc

I'm not denying that, but Trump seems to think the US is so safe because they are "far away" from the current wars.
Home grown enemies can be just as dangerous is my point.

Parker231 · 07/03/2025 17:15

Trump has fallen out with his best friend, Putin. The deaths in Ukraine in the last 24 hours are on Trump for withdrawing intelligence.

To suspect the "deal" between the US and Russia Greenland for Ukraine?
LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:21

BIossomtoes · 07/03/2025 17:07

Anyone whose historical knowledge depends on Netflix really isn’t to be taken remotely seriously. You just jumped the shark @LovingHare.

not history, but political strategies and types of legal strategies,
history for studying history then its academic university professor books and edward is a historical person and not a fictional character

CerealPosterHere · 07/03/2025 17:33

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 14:40

because strictly it was once part of the usa when Britain ruled it so the uk did originally have control of it all

Strictly speaking Canada was never part of the USA. I don’t understand how an American can have such an incorrect view of their own country’s history. Britain has never ruled the USA. The USA was formed after declaring independence.

prior to independence they were the United colonies of North America. And I’ll give you a clue…none of the original 13 United colonies were ever in Canada.

BIossomtoes · 07/03/2025 17:34

CerealPosterHere · 07/03/2025 17:33

Strictly speaking Canada was never part of the USA. I don’t understand how an American can have such an incorrect view of their own country’s history. Britain has never ruled the USA. The USA was formed after declaring independence.

prior to independence they were the United colonies of North America. And I’ll give you a clue…none of the original 13 United colonies were ever in Canada.

Knowledge courtesy of Netflix! 😂

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:36

CerealPosterHere · 07/03/2025 17:33

Strictly speaking Canada was never part of the USA. I don’t understand how an American can have such an incorrect view of their own country’s history. Britain has never ruled the USA. The USA was formed after declaring independence.

prior to independence they were the United colonies of North America. And I’ll give you a clue…none of the original 13 United colonies were ever in Canada.

from my research ill admit i was wrong :

United States: Before independence, Britain controlled the Thirteen Colonies along the eastern seaboard of what is now the U.S. However, large parts of the interior and western regions were under French, Spanish, or Indigenous control. For example, the Louisiana Territory was French, and Florida was Spanish.

Canada: Britain gained control of Canada after the Seven Years' War (1756–1763) through the Treaty of Paris in 1763. Before that, much of Canada was part of New France, under French control. Even after Britain took over, vast areas of Canada were still inhabited and governed by Indigenous peoples

CerealPosterHere · 07/03/2025 17:37

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 15:03

but at the same time, can everyone keep expecting the usa whenever they need us rather than using nato ?

You mean like the USA expected everyone to help them out with Iraq and then after 9/11……which I’ve already explained to you once today. You don’t seem very quick on the uptake.

I feel sorry for the dim witted Americans who have fallen for believing Trump is promoting American interests. He’s promoting his own interests and nothing else. But the gullible Yanks have fallen for it hook line and sinker.

tobee · 07/03/2025 17:38

LovingHare · 06/03/2025 20:04

countries are soon quick to need the Usa when it suits, then happy to scorn the usa the rest of the time

I'm so fucking sick of the USA going on about saving us in wars.

The USA did brilliantly out of WWII. Huge amounts of money was made for Americans. No rationing for them! No reconstruction of blitzed buildings! No 70,000 civilians dying in the US. They loaned us money we paid them back (finished 2006) and the US had huge interest paid to them.

After 1945 there was a golden age for the economy of the USA.

CerealPosterHere · 07/03/2025 17:38

BIossomtoes · 07/03/2025 17:34

Knowledge courtesy of Netflix! 😂

He should try watching Outlander on Amazon instead, he’d get a better grasp of his own country’s history from that! 😁

BIossomtoes · 07/03/2025 17:39

CerealPosterHere · 07/03/2025 17:38

He should try watching Outlander on Amazon instead, he’d get a better grasp of his own country’s history from that! 😁

😂

CerealPosterHere · 07/03/2025 17:40

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:01

all im saying after watching house of cards with frank underwood and the law show the good wife then reading historical propaganda methods edward berneys etc not everything is as the media say etc

Wtaf 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:43

yes im daft as a brush

Parker231 · 07/03/2025 17:44

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:36

from my research ill admit i was wrong :

United States: Before independence, Britain controlled the Thirteen Colonies along the eastern seaboard of what is now the U.S. However, large parts of the interior and western regions were under French, Spanish, or Indigenous control. For example, the Louisiana Territory was French, and Florida was Spanish.

Canada: Britain gained control of Canada after the Seven Years' War (1756–1763) through the Treaty of Paris in 1763. Before that, much of Canada was part of New France, under French control. Even after Britain took over, vast areas of Canada were still inhabited and governed by Indigenous peoples

Canada is for the Canadians. If Americans want to join us, we would make them very welcome

Serpentstooth · 07/03/2025 17:52

He won't be content until he is Bigly, King of the World. Hopefully he won't last that long.

FancyRedRobin · 07/03/2025 17:54

To be fair @LovingHare is engaging with us and explaining their point of view.
It's leads to me being really worried about the stuff the media is pushing over there, how the point of view over there is so skewed, how at risk that country is of serious problems internally and internationally.

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TempestTost · 07/03/2025 17:54

Rollercoaster1920 · 05/03/2025 09:44

I wonder what Trump's aim really is. It does start to look like empire building. I suspect he wants Russia as an ally, possibly as a balance against China. But acting against nearest neighbours and old allies is weird.

I've wondered about this. People like the "Trump is a Russian spy" idea but it isn't necessarily the simplest explanation of why he might be interested in working with the Russians.

It's not a totally crazy thought, it's always been a worry that China and Russia would be allied against the west. I could see why from both an American and Russian POV it might seem better for a Russian-American agreement of some kind. It's not totally unprecedented, Russia was allied with the west in WWII.

Europe is increasingly irrelevant, they have little military power, their economy isn't all that, and the world balance is shifting to China and India. And European powers keep making stupid decisions like becoming reliant on Russian oil. What can Europe really do for the US?

The fact that Putin is a lying ass crazy-pants would be a concern, but he's also canny, so perhaps would keep to an agreement that was in his interests.

From a utilitarian perspective I think it could make some sense, not to say that it is what is happening.

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:58

FancyRedRobin · 07/03/2025 17:54

To be fair @LovingHare is engaging with us and explaining their point of view.
It's leads to me being really worried about the stuff the media is pushing over there, how the point of view over there is so skewed, how at risk that country is of serious problems internally and internationally.

that i can appricate, im not the wisest, or the most knowledagble amd my tv shows give me a lot of the political / espionage aspects which then using modern media i try to understand politics better :

tv shows i use for reference or help my understanding :
la femme nikita (original tv show)
spooks
the agency
covert affairs
the long kiss goodnight film
the good wife
house of cards

Llttledrummergirl · 07/03/2025 18:00

Question. If Canada was to become a state of America, does that mean that Canadas King becomes King of America and there is no need for a President?

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 18:01

Llttledrummergirl · 07/03/2025 18:00

Question. If Canada was to become a state of America, does that mean that Canadas King becomes King of America and there is no need for a President?

Canada’s monarchy would not replace the U.S. presidency. The King would not become the King of America, as the U.S. Constitution does not allow for monarchs in its governance.

Orangesinthebag · 07/03/2025 18:02

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:58

that i can appricate, im not the wisest, or the most knowledagble amd my tv shows give me a lot of the political / espionage aspects which then using modern media i try to understand politics better :

tv shows i use for reference or help my understanding :
la femme nikita (original tv show)
spooks
the agency
covert affairs
the long kiss goodnight film
the good wife
house of cards

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Maybe read a book?

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 18:02

Orangesinthebag · 07/03/2025 18:02

Maybe read a book?

i did the 48 laws of power by robert greene, the 33 strategies of war also by robert greene for strategies in reality

Parker231 · 07/03/2025 18:04

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 18:01

Canada’s monarchy would not replace the U.S. presidency. The King would not become the King of America, as the U.S. Constitution does not allow for monarchs in its governance.

Trump would loose his presidency if Canada joined as the Democratics would have a huge majority. Trump would have to start learning French - it’s one of our recognised languages.

DuncinToffee · 07/03/2025 18:04

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 17:58

that i can appricate, im not the wisest, or the most knowledagble amd my tv shows give me a lot of the political / espionage aspects which then using modern media i try to understand politics better :

tv shows i use for reference or help my understanding :
la femme nikita (original tv show)
spooks
the agency
covert affairs
the long kiss goodnight film
the good wife
house of cards

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I think all those have Russia as the bad guys, not friends

Parker231 · 07/03/2025 18:04

LovingHare · 07/03/2025 18:01

Canada’s monarchy would not replace the U.S. presidency. The King would not become the King of America, as the U.S. Constitution does not allow for monarchs in its governance.

The constitution would have to change to reflect Canadian values.

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