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I'm sorry, with love is meghan is awful

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Tricho · 05/03/2025 08:28

I tried.

I really did.

But JFC it's absolutely awful.

"Come and watch me make the most basic of crafts while telling me how much you admire me, and I gently patronise you"

Really awful.

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skullbabe · 09/03/2025 18:30

I am personally going to ignore these annoying posts and focus on the topic of the thread.

So - honestly was really tired of the constant negativity and was away from these posts for a good while. A really good and effective thing I found was to just ignore the negative posts - especially if you have enough people discussing the topic in good faith, you can talk over and past the negative people, to the people interested in the conversation you want to be having. They soon get bored and go away.

Serenster · 09/03/2025 18:31

At Skullbabe, BustingBaoBun. Nice of you to read my post though.😀

BustingBaoBun · 09/03/2025 18:32

Serenster · 09/03/2025 18:31

At Skullbabe, BustingBaoBun. Nice of you to read my post though.😀

It had it's own paragraph! Easy reading!

LipglossAlly · 09/03/2025 18:32

skullbabe · 09/03/2025 18:30

I am personally going to ignore these annoying posts and focus on the topic of the thread.

So - honestly was really tired of the constant negativity and was away from these posts for a good while. A really good and effective thing I found was to just ignore the negative posts - especially if you have enough people discussing the topic in good faith, you can talk over and past the negative people, to the people interested in the conversation you want to be having. They soon get bored and go away.

Edited

Yes I think this is going to be my approach from now on 😄

MrsCarson · 09/03/2025 18:37

I decided to watch it for myself and make up my own mind.
It's tedious. Like a poor copy of Martha Stewart's show from way back when.
I didn't enjoy it and won't be watching any more episodes.

Lex345 · 09/03/2025 18:40

I watched a few episodes-I actually quite liked it, the recipes and little project things are concise and neat, and although some of them aren't ever going to be something I will do (lavender of any kind, hate the bloody stuff), I thought some of the recipes were actually quite nice (the Korean chef episode-food looked amazing!). I am not fussed about Meghan either way, and tbh I only watched as I saw this thread-but she doesn't come across badly, or I didn't think so anyway.

OrdinaryO888 · 09/03/2025 18:42

Serenster · 09/03/2025 18:25

I don’t mind then being human. I don’t even mind them being hypocrites, because who among us is not to some extent or other?

I do have a problem with lying on oath on court or launching court proceedings based on untruths, gagging people and then attacking them publicly knowing they can’t fight back and there is a huge power inbalance, treating staff badly and throwing family members under the bus for financial gain. I think I that kind of behaviour goes further than a few human flaws into a lack of moral compass. And I don’t respect people like that, in my private life, my professional life, or in public life generally (I’ve come across a few, in all of those spheres).

What about the “power imbalance” which favours the RF? They have enormous soft power and influence. The main players are protected to some extent by an uneasy press pact, and it’s virtually impossible to take them to court about anything serious, but you might succeed if one of their corgis bites you.

KC wrote a book and appeared in a documentary where he threw a few people under the bus and let’s just say that the jury was out on whether the whole truth was told or not.

It’s been reported many times and is commonly accepted that the RF are not averse to spinning press stories in favour of themselves and against others who challenge them. The actual press secretaries and PR people involved have admitted as much. .

And Harry hasn’t lost of all his court cases has he? I think he was actually quite brave to hold out for the last one when everyone was telling him not to.

I don’t think that Harry and Meghan have behaved at all well at times either but it’s not half as clear cut as you are trying to make out.

OrdinaryO888 · 09/03/2025 18:49

Serenster · 09/03/2025 18:29

Your arguments tend to the rational but surely most rational posters understand that individuals within the RF are not all good or all bad, and the same applies to Harry and Meghan.

Which other royal family members have entered into a conspiracy to mislead the Courts then? Which Royal family member has directly misled the court by telling lies?

Which other Royal Family member issued a court claim for defamation for something that was proved to be just spin on his part?

Edited

Well I do remember a case where the Queen “suddenly remembered” some facts about some stored property leading her to intervene at the last minute.

As for the other cases you refer to, presumably they had to meet some credibility criteria on the part of the Courts before they could proceed?

Serenster · 09/03/2025 18:53

It’s been reported many times and is commonly accepted that the RF are not averse to spinning press stories in favour of themselves and against others who challenge them. The actual press secretaries and PR people involved have admitted as much.

As ever, some examples would be nice.

The example I gave about Harry was how he came out with a story that he had offered to pay for his security protection in the UK out of his pwn pocket to make his law suit against the Home Office to get taxpayer funded security look more palatable. The Mail looked into it and reported that he’d only made this offer after filing his lawsuit against the Home Office. Harry sued them for defamation, but had to drop his claim when a judge made it clear to him that he’d lose because it was quite clear what the true facts were.

A couple fo other things I had in mind - when it was suggested that Meghan’s PA (identified int he press as Melissa Toubati) resigned shorty after the Sussex’s wedding and it was suggested in the Press shed found it difficult to work for them Omid Scobie and Meghan’s friend Janina Gavankar went onto big morning tv shows in the US and both said that she had not had a problem working for Meghan, she had been fired for gross misconduct. That’s a massive breach of confidence by Meghan even if true, and an outrageous example of her punching down on a gagged employee publicly if false (and based on what we now know, it’s far more key to be the latter scenario).

Omid also told the press that one of Meghan’s nannies had also been fired for gross misconduct, and he knew what had led to the dismissal - again, a massive breach of trust and confidence by Meghan as am employer.

Baital · 09/03/2025 18:54

skullbabe · 09/03/2025 18:08

Megan's naive belief she could somehow emancipate him is so fucking ridiculous but also understandable.

This is exactly the kind of misplaced narrative that fuels so much of the never-ending vitriol against Meghan - people refusing to actually listen to what she has said, and what Harry himself has said, repeatedly. Harry had long wanted out (see multiple interviews and articles from well before Meghan). It was his idea to push for a hybrid royal role, and his decision to leave entirely when that failed—driven by his own fears and experiences.

And yet, despite Harry being vocal about his unhappiness in royal life for years (even before Meghan), she was still framed as the mastermind who “trapped” him. When they left the UK, Harry explicitly said it was his decision - but Meghan still gets the blame.

Meghan really tried to make it work, but she was about:blank always scrutinised and found wanting. She was constantly accused in the press and here in many deleted threads of breaking protocol (nail polish, crossing her legs), of being too ambitious and outshining senior royals (see Together cookbook and Smart Works). She and Harry said they wanted privacy, but people twisted that to mean they wanted total invisibility - even as other royals manage their own boundaries without the same kind of backlash (there are some grumblings in the press about the limits the Wales' set on them and the children but there is nothing like the same sustained attacks on the Sussexes).

She wore nice clothes and was slammed for the cost; she wore affordable clothes and was mocked for trying too hard. She held her baby bump too much, ate avocados that were somehow linked to terrorism, held Archie the ‘wrong’ way. If she was warm and affectionate, she was too Hollywood. If she smiled too much, she was fake and smug. If she didn’t, she was cold and calculating.

Stories of Harry and Meghan's lives were used as fodder for the press - see The Princes and the Press , Byline Times, Jasmine Dotiwala and Carole Malone (long long long before they left) are on video discussing the reciprocal nature and leaks from Kensington palace - even Camilla Tominey herself (in the doucmentary linked to above) has said as much.

And yet, despite all of this it’s still Meghan's fault - because why did she not speaking up sooner about racism and struggles inside the palace. But when she did speak out (e.g., Oprah interview, podcast, or Netflix series), she was then whining, attention-seeking, and playing the victim.

Meghan was found wanting not because she actually did anything terrible, but because people decided they didn't want to accept her, no matter what she did.

I clicked on your link 'The Princes and the Press' but it is no longer available on BBC iplayer

Serenster · 09/03/2025 19:02

Well I do remember a case where the Queen “suddenly remembered” some facts about some stored property leading her to intervene at the last minute.

As for the other cases you refer to, presumably they had to meet some credibility criteria on the part of the Courts before they could proceed?

The first is a quite different situation. the Queen wasn’t a party to the Court case, but when it was being tried she drew attention to the fact that she had relevant evidence to give, but no-one had asked her to be a witness.

And as for court process - you file your case, and you have to prove it. The court isn’t omniscient. They rely on people’s lawyers to be the ones who stop speculative cases being filed - they are officers of the court first and foremost, and should know and understand their obligations and make sure their clients are appropriately advised. Or so they are supposed to act…Meghan and Harry’s preferred legal team have shown many times they are happy to sail very close to the wind for their clients.

LipglossAlly · 09/03/2025 19:09

Lex345 · 09/03/2025 18:40

I watched a few episodes-I actually quite liked it, the recipes and little project things are concise and neat, and although some of them aren't ever going to be something I will do (lavender of any kind, hate the bloody stuff), I thought some of the recipes were actually quite nice (the Korean chef episode-food looked amazing!). I am not fussed about Meghan either way, and tbh I only watched as I saw this thread-but she doesn't come across badly, or I didn't think so anyway.

💯💯

LipglossAlly · 09/03/2025 19:11

MrsCarson · 09/03/2025 18:37

I decided to watch it for myself and make up my own mind.
It's tedious. Like a poor copy of Martha Stewart's show from way back when.
I didn't enjoy it and won't be watching any more episodes.

It is lovely having differing opinions that are actually related to the topic of the thread 😀

uhhuhuhhuhuhuh · 09/03/2025 19:12

It is very unfortunate that we can't just comment on the latest projects of MM( whether it be leaving a positive or a negative comments)in peace without having to be going back and forth with some raging royalists. We get it, you do not like this woman...and? This won't make the rest of the world dislike her no matter how much you try. You are not interested in the projects she puts out. Why are you here?

This tread should be discussing her brand and latest programme.
I don't care whether your reviews of the programme is positive or negative.

What does this show has to do with the Royals? The lady has put out her part of the story and moved on years ago. Why do these threads have to always turn into a dissertation about the RF?

With respect, the thread was about the tv show and you made it about haters!!!!! Go read your own posts!

uhhuhuhhuhuhuh · 09/03/2025 19:15

This thread has long stopped being about the bullshit tv show and the team of people who are paid to negate negative sentiment. It's so sad and funny and transparent. Mumsnetters do not fall for this shit.

Baital · 09/03/2025 19:18

Yes, anyone critical is 'royalist'

If you watch the show you are 'hate watching'

If you don't watch all of it (just the trailers and snippets) you will soon be accused of not having watched it in full.

The usual playbook from the superfans.

uhhuhuhhuhuhuh · 09/03/2025 19:18

It's possible for her and harry to be complex damaged idiots who have been treated poorly and treated others poorly AND for the programme to be an utter poorly conceived mess.

uhhuhuhhuhuhuh · 09/03/2025 19:19

And with that, it would be entirely reasonable for a couple who have been on the receiving end of so much negative publicity to just take a moment to reflect on their part in it and not keep spinning out more inane content.

LipglossAlly · 09/03/2025 19:32

LipglossAlly · 09/03/2025 19:09

💯💯

I might try the lavender towels if we do happen to experience a heat wave this summer 😄

BustingBaoBun · 09/03/2025 19:34

That's telling us then! A poorly conceived mess also known as shit!
I have time next week and plan on watching it with an open mind and no preconceived ideas. 😍

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 09/03/2025 19:38

uhhuhuhhuhuhuh · 09/03/2025 19:15

This thread has long stopped being about the bullshit tv show and the team of people who are paid to negate negative sentiment. It's so sad and funny and transparent. Mumsnetters do not fall for this shit.

"Team of people paid to negate negative sentiment"
🙄🤣
Careful, your tinfoil hat's slipping a bit there 😁

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 09/03/2025 19:38

LipglossAlly · 09/03/2025 19:32

I might try the lavender towels if we do happen to experience a heat wave this summer 😄

Ooh not got to that episode yet. Don't remember that bit anyway?

OrdinaryO888 · 09/03/2025 19:40

Serenster · 09/03/2025 19:02

Well I do remember a case where the Queen “suddenly remembered” some facts about some stored property leading her to intervene at the last minute.

As for the other cases you refer to, presumably they had to meet some credibility criteria on the part of the Courts before they could proceed?

The first is a quite different situation. the Queen wasn’t a party to the Court case, but when it was being tried she drew attention to the fact that she had relevant evidence to give, but no-one had asked her to be a witness.

And as for court process - you file your case, and you have to prove it. The court isn’t omniscient. They rely on people’s lawyers to be the ones who stop speculative cases being filed - they are officers of the court first and foremost, and should know and understand their obligations and make sure their clients are appropriately advised. Or so they are supposed to act…Meghan and Harry’s preferred legal team have shown many times they are happy to sail very close to the wind for their clients.

I bow to your greater foresnsic knowledge on all of these legal matters Serenster but still fail to understand why they cause you such personal upset.

I’m also pretty certain from what I have read that other members of the RF use their influence to bear in ways that are not “quite cricket”, in their relationships with journalists for example, and it rarely comes to light because they are afforded more protection.

I stand by my overall point though, that although H&M are no saints, neither are the other members of the RF. But H&M are globally vilified while the RF are somehow venerated. It makes no sense to me. And put bluntly, the main players in the RF have so much more power because they are in a position to have more control over the money!

I think what was done to H&M was unfair because either you treat them like full working royals and pay and house them accordingly, like Sophie and Edward, who live in a £30 million pound estate. Or, you treat them like minor royals and give them a lesser allowance and lesser housing and more freedom.

What they were offering H&M was a ft role in the core of the RF with no freedom and fewer benefits than Uncle Edward! It must have been pretty humiliating for Harry and either unwise or quite deliberate on the part of Charles and William. I doubt we will ever know in our lifetime.

LipglossAlly · 09/03/2025 19:41

MakeYourOwnMusicStartYourOwnDance · 09/03/2025 19:38

Ooh not got to that episode yet. Don't remember that bit anyway?

Edited

To be fair, it is not something that I ever contemplated , but this might prove to be a lifesaving hack during a heatwave. Citrus is a good alternative though 😄

BustingBaoBun · 09/03/2025 19:45

uhhuhuhhuhuhuh · 09/03/2025 19:15

This thread has long stopped being about the bullshit tv show and the team of people who are paid to negate negative sentiment. It's so sad and funny and transparent. Mumsnetters do not fall for this shit.

This is about the third time you have accused posters on here of being paid PR people.
It's not on, it really isn't.
I hesitate to report you, but I do know it's against talk guidelines.

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