AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

[Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr]

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

The current VP is more vocal and visible than any other VP that I can remember. That's deliberate obviously, bad cop, bad cop. The demonic duo.

I have hopes, however risible they may seem at the moment, that cool and intelligent, moral and incorruptible heads will prevail in Congress/Senate and the courts.

The mid terms will prove me right or wrong, and you know which one most people want. A lot can happen between then and now though, and that's very worrying.

Is there any mechanism (other than assassination) to get rid of a President. Not that I know of anyway.

@BIossomtoes what then ? I mean genuinely what do people think could work ?

Hilary Clinton has been very vocal about putin and his ambitions and how trump is his "puppet" ( putin hates Hilary because she could predict his every move),

European leaders know their own countries will end up fighting Putin if this surrender deal happens. It's looking almost inevitable now, unfortunately.

@AnonymousBleep those European leaders are still talking about US security before this happens.

I didn't say 'a tiny amount'.

We will never know what outcome diplomacy would have yielded. Mr Z bailed out before any real options presented. We just don’t know what could have been.

As the man said…. Mr Z didn’t have the cards last week, he has less cards now.

Well deserved hatred

When will the US wake up to the fact that he's trampling over their laws and constitution?

Very apt username you have there, do you get paid to peddle lies?

They'll see it when all DOGE's 'efficiencies' directly affect them

I wonder how much the USA paid back to the UK for sending troops to support them in Aghanistan post 9/11? I'd imagine it's a big fat nothing. Yet they bleat on as if the rest of the world is constantly ripping them off.

There will be no “US security”. Trump’s made that crystal clear, we all woke up to it this morning. There are some very stark choices to be made now.

Well presidents have been assassinated for less. We live in hope.

It's a long time since my kids were at school, so thanks for this.

Wales voted in favour. Try sneering accurately.

And the Democrats don't seem to have started looking for a new, intelligent, younger leader yet

Oh don't be silly. That meeting was a set-up designed to humiliate Zelenskyy. Pet journalists invited to ask the 'right' questions to embarass him, Vance bleating on about how Zelenskyy hadn't thanked the US for their over-inflated loans (which he has, countless times). It was cringeworthy to watch the POTUS and his weird little sidekick acting like bullies in the school playground. It's obvious that Trump always intended to pull military aid, and he wants Zelenskyy to resign because that will further destabilise Ukraine and make it easy for Putin to carry on his invasion. Which he will - why wouldn't he? The Russian economy currently depends on winning this war and expanding their territory.

Yup. Where's Luigi Mangione when the world really needs him?

He didn't 'bail out'. He was asked to leave the White House by Trump aides!

The Democrats are simply the other cheek of the same arse, as far as I could ever see.

Not sneering, but wasn't that vote essentially tipped by English retirees who had relocated to Wales?

I don’t think they’re on Putin’s payroll.

The Americans & passports comparison is always pathetic.
Americans can ski, lie on a beach and everything in between with a driving lisc for ID. Why ski in Alps when you have Rockies closer & cheaper. Why go to Riviera when you have much better & cleaner beaches on both coasts.

It’s simple economics.

Do majority of Brits /Europeans travel in Europe for the cultural experiences? They have passports because they need one to leave!!.

It’s just some silly snobbish thing to say “even my grandparents have passport, most Americans don’t!” That’s because your grandparents need/needed a passport to go to Malaga …. American grandparents don’t need one for Florida!

Reminds me of Chamberlain's attitude.

European leaders realise that if they don't support Ukraine then they are likely to need their own troops on the ground in there own country and that their citizens will be dead in their own country.

European leaders realise that if they don't support Ukraine then they are likely to need their own troops on the ground in there own country and that their citizens will be dead in their own country.

Have any of them made a statement along these lines on the understanding there's no US security?