AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

They have not gifted only loaned. The EU countries will demand the loan is repaid at some point and probably add interest too.

As always I think it depends on figures you look at. Eg aid committed v actually spent and sent, military v non military, recent spend patterns v total pictures

US figure certainly isn't 360b though, how trump gets away with that lie I have no idea

Will they? You’ve decided this, have you? The world has changed since those loans were made.

The EU loans are financed by extraordinary revenues from immobilized Russian sovereign assets.

Repayment terms
The loans from the EU are – in the union’s own words “highly concessional” and the interest rate payments are subsidised by the EU. The loans have a long maturity period, meaning that the principal of the loan will not need to start to be repaid until 2033.
In addition to this, the EU has a “loan cooperation mechanism” which is intended to support Ukraine repaying up to 45 billion euros of its loans from the EU and G7 countries which are set to be paid to Ukraine between December 2024 and December 2027.
The support will come from the income generated by the billions of euros in frozen Russian assets which will be used to repay the loans.
This means that although the loans will be repaid at some point, much of the money to repay them will not come from Ukraine. Although the terms of the G7 agreement say that if there is a peace deal where Russia “pays for the damages it has caused”, then Ukraine will repay the parts of the loans which have not been covered by the revenue from frozen Russian assets.

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/ukraine-donald-trump-european-russian-biden-b1214640.html

The same way he gets away with ALL his lies.

No, they have both gifted and loaned, as has the US. Several heads of State have publicaly corrected Trump on this false claim.

The loans (which total about 1/3 of all support) were on a very generous basis, as another poster has already explained, and have a long maturity period.

https://www.eeas.europa.eu/delegations/united-states-america/eu-assistance-ukraine-us-dollars_en?s=253#:~:text=highly%20concessional%20loans

Interest rates are subsidised by the EU and, in addition, the EU has a loan cooperation mechanism whereby frozen Russian assets can be used to repay up to* €45 billion *

https://commission.europa.eu/topics/eu-solidarity-ukraine/eu-assistance-ukraine/eu-financial-support-ukraine_en#:~:text=In%20October%202024,in%20January%202025.

My point is that I don’t think that is what he’s trying to do. That’s not ‘the job’ from his perspective.

Amazing how we live in a world where the invaded nation has to pay reparations. I suppose, on this basis, Trump will be asking Israel to pay back all the US military aid they have received following invasion by Hamas?

Or perhaps Trump could just go straight over Netanyahu's head and send Rubio to negotiate 'peace' directly with Hamas. Never mind Israel - just sign some mining assets over to US so there are US interests on the ground in Israel. That's all the security they need. Who needs an iron dome when a bit of US mining or whatever will do the trick. Peace will surely reign. Rejoice!

Who is going to hold Russia accountable for their war crimes? Thousands of children have been taken from Ukraine and 'adopted' over the border. All the horrific testimonies of women raped in front of their families by Russian soldiers. And all Trump can say is 'give us your minerals.' How can he even be mentioning minerals when thousands of children are still abducted?

@caringcarer The UK and France have "gifted" support

Starmer and Macron both corrected trump on that

Because he’s a very poor excuse for a human. I put it like that because the words I want to use are likely to cause offence, and maybe too much even for MN’s liberal policy on obscenity and profanity.

Thank goodness we don’t have BJ in charge.

Trump is a terrible, terrible person (said in his style of verbal overstatement :) ) and Vance isn't any better. What they did to Zelensky was cruel and shameless and I have zero respect for Trump in this situation. What I did agree with was the fact that this war must come to an end. It's become like a vicious circle, one side wins some ground and the other side wins it back. Doesn't matter about right and wrong or who started it but the killing has to stop one way or another. The war is unsustainable regardless of which side you're on and anyhow looks like The Donald is starting WWIII with China, so that's good news for us in UK, our part in the war whoever is involved will be over in a very short time.

Itsjustbiology

Haha. Read up on the rise of Hitler. What was the role of Goebbels- muzzle the Press.

So only the media who support Trump allowed into press conferences. Associated Press going for 150 years is banned because it won’t rename Gulf of Mexico.

Unlike UK where all media of every political view attends press conferences to hold truth to power.

In the UK we can see the truth because of our free press unlike you Itsjustbiology and your muzzled media.

Putin has broken 17 ceasefire agreements with Ukraine since 2014.

The idea that suddenly he'll stop seems rather fanciful.

He'll push for elections, 'meddle' get his stooge in and Ukraine will become part of Russia.

From there it's a hop, skip and a jump to Moldova and Lithuania. Before you know it he's nudging NATO countries - a drone here or there - to see whether Art 5 still works.

I don't have the answers but the problem of Putin isn't going to vanish. And any successor he might have waiting isn't going to be any less aggressive.

How can Zelensky afford a $35 million home in the USA? He must be very rich

I assume you're referring to the fake news? Please stop spreading disinformation.

https://www.france24.com/en/tv-shows/truth-or-fake/20231218-no-ukraine-s-zelensky-did-not-buy-a-lavish-mansion-in-florida

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/04/05/fact-check-post-unsupported-claim-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-assets-and-income/11592626002/

Because it is nonsense

https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2023/04/05/fact-check-post-unsupported-claim-ukraine-president-volodymyr-zelenskyy-assets-and-income/11592626002/

It’s not fake he has several homes abroad. Perhaps not as expensive as I said but a few holiday homes

Approximately 50% of them did 'see' it and the remaining number just aren't any more interested in actual 'politics' than Trump himself is!! 🙄
Those wearing MAGA hats and waving flags and banners are akin to those who voted for and 'liked' Boris Johnson on the grounds of 'he says it like it is' and labouring under the totally foolish, gullible and naive apprehension that he was actually bothered about the people and the state of the country either socially or economically 😡which of course he did not do any more than bloody Trump does now!😱

Evidence?

eadaily.com/en/ampnews/2024/09/24/nobody-bought-zelenskys-villa-put-up-for-auction-in-italy-mass-media

I don't think that in reality, with an individual (can't refer to him as a person!) like Trump, that it matters in the slightest who is PM of any other country if those leaders are not of the same mindset as himself which is primarily that of a fascist dictator!! 😱
He is hell bent on changing the world order to benefit himself, the far right, the 1% 'elite' and keeping happy those vile and shameless sycophants who go along for the ride and what they can get out of it themselves!! 🙄😡

I’m sorry I don’t blame trump for stopping funds to Ukraine and wish stamer would stop also, our country’s went to absolute shit the amount of people struggling to feed themselves and their kids aswell as heat and house themselves but yeah let’s throw BILLIONS of pounds at a fucking war we’re not even fighting. That money could be spent on wage rises, the nhs, better education in schools amongst other things but no most of you are happy were funding this. Also where’s all the news coverage it pisses me off that when this all kicked off it was thrown in our faces morning noon and night but now we hear nothing about it except Zelensky needs more money. Away tae fuck he wants to fight let him fight it without our country’s money our country has suffered enough without funding this nonsense