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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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fromthevault · 04/03/2025 22:46

fromthevault · 04/03/2025 21:53

Please post your neutral, verifiable, utterly impartial source then. Second time of asking.

Nothing?

I'm shocked, I tell you. Shocked to my very core.

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 22:47

assassination* it autocorrected

PerkingFaintly · 04/03/2025 23:03

Unless I've misunderstood, this is the same minerals agreement that Zelensky had already agreed to – and had turned up to sign when the big babies had their Oval Office tantrum.

Zelensky repeated when in the UK that he was prepared to sign this deal.

He has now flattered Trump, and Trump has come back to the table with IIUC the same deal.

Zelensky wanted security guarantees as well, but they weren't in the orginal agreement (I've read it) and presumably aren't in the current agreement (I haven't read it).

So WRT the mineral deal, everybody's where they were before the tantrum.

However Trump has stopped military aid to Ukraine even when it had already reached Poland; and he and Vance have flushed 200+ years of US prestige down the toilet. So it's been a big lose all round. Well, except for Putin.

Careertimenow · 04/03/2025 23:16

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 22:29

If he doesn't pop his clogs before then, let's not forget he's orange, and in his 80s. He doesn't look the picture of health either.

🤞🙏

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 23:22

Careertimenow · 04/03/2025 23:16

🤞🙏

I wouldn't get too excited three years ago Putin was about to pop his clogs according to the media. Unfortunately that didn't happen.

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 23:36

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 23:22

I wouldn't get too excited three years ago Putin was about to pop his clogs according to the media. Unfortunately that didn't happen.

Agree, but what is there without hope.

maddening · 04/03/2025 23:41

TooBigForMyBoots · 04/03/2025 15:10

And billed us for it.

We paid back double the amount they lent us as well with the interest

sleepwouldbenice · 04/03/2025 23:43

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 22:39

He doesn't have a choice, Trump has backed him into a corner. I like Zelensky, and feel he is doing his absolute best for Ukraine. Trump & Putin on the other hand are bullying dictators. And I cannot say what I think of Musk, and that other cretin who was disrespectful to the UK; (I forget his name) on here.
Honestly I agree with a poster further up who said it wouldn't surprise her to hear of an assignation. Wasn't there a near miss with his ear or something a while ago, and some thought that it may have been a publicity stunt?

Edited

Vance. Another vile cretin
Agreed

PandaTime · 05/03/2025 00:22

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 23:22

I wouldn't get too excited three years ago Putin was about to pop his clogs according to the media. Unfortunately that didn't happen.

Have you seen Putin's potential successors? 😬 The phrase 'better the devil you know' comes to mind.

Petuniaspetal · 05/03/2025 01:05

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 22:39

He doesn't have a choice, Trump has backed him into a corner. I like Zelensky, and feel he is doing his absolute best for Ukraine. Trump & Putin on the other hand are bullying dictators. And I cannot say what I think of Musk, and that other cretin who was disrespectful to the UK; (I forget his name) on here.
Honestly I agree with a poster further up who said it wouldn't surprise her to hear of an assignation. Wasn't there a near miss with his ear or something a while ago, and some thought that it may have been a publicity stunt?

Edited

My theory is that the bullet went in one ear and in the absence.of any resistance flew straight out the other clipping his lobe.😁

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 01:16

Ah, horror. That’s an emotion we use when we’ve been caught off guard. But in the realm of power, there are no accidents just calculated moves. So, you're "horrified" by Trump's decision to cut military aid to Ukraine? Understandable, but allow me to offer a little perspective: this was inevitable. It was always about securing the right position for power, not about some lofty moral high ground.

Let’s call a spade a spade: Trump is a pragmatist, and he’s playing the long game, even if you don’t like the rules. If you think for one second that Ukraine’s situation is about good versus evil, then you’re missing the larger point.

The US cutting aid? It’s part of a strategic calculation, nothing more. The world of politics is cold, and when you understand that, you start to see the game for what it truly is.

Swapping sides? Hardly. It's about leverage. Trump has always had a knack for making bold moves, throwing the world into chaos to test who will bend, and who will break. By turning away from Ukraine, he’s playing on the world’s weaknesses. He knows exactly how to push buttons, how to make every side scramble for control. Russia is an old rival, sure but the game is never about taking sides. It’s about ensuring the right side wins for you.

As for Ukraine being the "victim," well, let’s not be naive. This isn’t a simplistic narrative of good and bad. Zelensky knew, from the moment this war began, that it was a chess game and in chess, the pieces don’t all move in one direction. If the US cuts aid, Ukraine will adjust its strategy. It always does.
So, horrified? Maybe. But the truth is, you’re witnessing the next phase of a global power struggle, and Trump’s move is just the opening gambit.

Remember, the game is always more complex than it first appears. And when the dust settles, it will be clear that the real winners are those who know how to maneuver when everyone else is scrambling.

LifeExperience · 05/03/2025 02:16

Grammarnut · 04/03/2025 16:23

We are part of Five Eyes (UK, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand) - the US saying intelligence from them is a privilege is pretty thick.
Infuriated by Trump calling the PM of Canada the governor, too. Perhaps it's time to burn the rebel's Capitol again?
This is the price we are all paying for the Democrats not removing Biden from the running earlier and also for not ditching the stupidity of gender ideology.

The US only gives 5 Eyes a small portion of the intelligence we collect. In fact "noforn," which means "not releasable to any foreign nationals" is the most common US intelligence designation.

CalicoPusscat · 05/03/2025 02:37

Trump is Putin's puppet...at present.

But he's 78 and it's obvious he's a sociopath with mental decline. Really hope next POTUS is better.

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 02:39

CalicoPusscat · 05/03/2025 02:37

Trump is Putin's puppet...at present.

But he's 78 and it's obvious he's a sociopath with mental decline. Really hope next POTUS is better.

that depends on fellow American's voting better

CalicoPusscat · 05/03/2025 02:40

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 02:39

that depends on fellow American's voting better

Well, quite! But we can hope for the best.

Valeriekat · 05/03/2025 03:01

RubyTuesday48 · 04/03/2025 12:20

To me these voters are like our 'thick as shit' ones who voted for Brexit.

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Sorry but it is called democracy.

Notsosure1 · 05/03/2025 03:25

Topseyt123 · 04/03/2025 11:24

It's appalling. I really hope that Starmer doesn't keep trying to buddy up to him and I would like to see the ridiculous state visit invitation rescinded. It should never have been issued.

It’s bile-inducing to watch the leader of your country being overly civil to any dickhead but that’s politics. Charles no doubt wasn’t keen to ‘invite’ him over but you have to look at the bigger picture don’t you. World leaders have worked out the best way to negotiate with Trump is to flatter his ego, pay homage and basically treat him like an ancient king. It makes them look like clueless, simpering sycophants to outsiders but if this is the way to keep the leader of such a powerful country on side of course they’ll do it. There’s too much to lose by deliberately offending them.

Thats not to say they should appease unreasonably by standing by while they invade another country or threaten their own, but in terms of Trump, unless he really steps out of line (I know!) I think the unofficial line is to try to keep him sweet by whatever reasonable means necessary. It’s not worth the risk of him throwing his toys out the pram and officially declaring Putin America’s new closest ally is it. Although that seems to be on the fucking cards…

Notsosure1 · 05/03/2025 03:27

JadededViewer · 05/03/2025 02:39

that depends on fellow American's voting better

Next POTUS will be Vance - hence the matching outfits so that the American public see them in sync and it will be a natural acceptance when he’s up for nomination. Just my thoughts

edited to add - if it goes to election

XWKD · 05/03/2025 04:31

Trump is scum. Vance is scum. Musk is scum. Nothing surprises me anymore.

Wildflowers99 · 05/03/2025 06:33

And now he’s banned the UK from sharing intelligence with Ukraine. The man is very clearly a Russian collaborator at this point.

twinklystar23 · 05/03/2025 06:59

Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 14:03

I must have missed them too.

No you havent missed @Shitmonger explsining there assertion that z "twice threatened " trump.

Shitmonger also sppearz to be a nrw poster on MN

twinklystar23 · 05/03/2025 07:17

LadyBracknellsHandbagg · 04/03/2025 14:10

Very apt username you have there, do you get paid to peddle lies?

Shitmonger a few pages in still hssnt explained what "two threstz" z msde.

I couldnt find tge original post. Dhitmonger is also a new poster not sure how i can report.

We all now need to challenge dis/misinformstion.

oceanflow · 05/03/2025 08:28

There is a good chance Trump might drop dead before the end of his term in office. I think he knows this and it's why he doesn't give a damn. Maybe he'll be shot by his own public.

I'm thinking that Ukraine will sign the minerals extortion deal in the next few days. They are in a corner and have no choice, sadly.

Then watch - Trump will lift sanctions on Russia. There will be all manner of 'deals' with his mate Vlad.

Then the narrative will switch to US 'taking Greenland.' Maybe there is an agreement that Putin will threaten to roll into the Baltic states, and Trump will say he'll only provide a security guarantee or 'negotiate' with his mate Vlad, if Denmark sign over Greenland without a fuss. Maybe this is the plan? To play Europe essentially?

At this point, nothing would surprise me. He genuinely thinks Canada should become the 51st state of US. It won't happen, but maybe he thinks constant tariff threats will bring this about? God only knows.

Darker · 05/03/2025 08:31

I wonder if the US public will rebel… when the cost of living goes up with the tariffs etc.

RubyTuesday48 · 05/03/2025 08:37

Valeriekat · 05/03/2025 03:01

Sorry but it is called democracy.

That doesn't stop them from being thick.