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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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Stirabout · 04/03/2025 19:19

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 19:05

This is a comment I have just stumbled across on a shorter thread. I have no words.

HelplessSoul · Today 16:46

I'm sure American taxpayers are wondering why the fuck their tax dollars a funding a war on the other side of the world that the US neither started or is a part of.
Trump is right to have withdrawn aid to that clown Zelensky.
Zelensky's non-apology-apology proves he is an entitled asshat - pretending to grovel now because he knows he is fucked without the backing of the USA.
He desecrated the Oval Office by trying to argue with Trump with the media there.
He should go back and beg for forgiveness too. He's an entitled CFC.

@HelplessSoul Read this thread, and educate yourself. Your comment is embarrassing quite honestly, you have the exact mindset Trump prays upon. What a world we live in, I'm ashamed to say I have brought children into it.

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Also for helpless
Perhaps American tax payers need to be reminded of their countries historic promise ( in writing ) to Ukraine to protect them. We and France signed up to that too. We all have an obligation

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 19:20

sidebirds · 04/03/2025 18:08

Yes, there was a dodgy altered video of Zelenskyy appearing to take cocaine, however if one keeps an attentive eye on footage of him - for example the full 50 minute press conference from the Oval Office - the telltale signs are there: sniffing and touching his nostrils. Suspected 'dutch courage' that exacerbated his peevish conduct 🤨

*EDITED to explain: "telltale signs" - I once worked with someone in a 'high-powered' business environment with the exact same mannerisms. He turned out to have the habit of which Z is frequently accused.

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‘Peevish conduct’.

What an interesting and unusual turn of phrase.

MissyB1 · 04/03/2025 19:22

This will come as a real blow for the Americans in our town working here at GCHQ, we know various of those American families here as they are at school with ds. They are sent here by US Government and usually stay between 1-3 years or occasionally 5 years. I’m guessing that will stop? I wonder if they will have to go back now?

Maray1967 · 04/03/2025 19:26

nuned · 04/03/2025 18:42

@Maray1967 that's not really the same as an out and out war, is it.

As far as I’m concerned, it’s enough.

1dayatatime · 04/03/2025 20:03

@nuned

"Do we actually want a full on war with Russia ?

We are going to get nuked.

I for one, don't want a war. I'm not willing to die for Ukraine."

I shouldn't worry too much, the UK is pretty much incapable of any level of war with Russia anyway.

The military only have 10 days worth of ammunition reserves and only 11% of 18-25 year olds would be willing to fight for their country.

www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/only-one-in-10-young-brits-would-fight-for-their-country-389702/#

rainydaysandrainbows · 04/03/2025 20:10

@nuned

"Do we actually want a full on war with Russia ?

We are going to get nuked.

I for one, don't want a war. I'm not willing to die for Ukraine."

Do you think putin would stop at Ukraine? There's a reason the countries around Ukraine are panicking and what about the British citizens Russia has killed on British soil?

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 20:22

The American have contributed 208 billion dollars I read this week. I wonder how much the European countries have contributed.

The EU lady Von Leyan? I heard speaking today saying that Europe had to stand on their own two feet or words to that effect. Now I know Britain and France agree. We have to hope the other countries agree .

cardibach · 04/03/2025 20:26

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 20:22

The American have contributed 208 billion dollars I read this week. I wonder how much the European countries have contributed.

The EU lady Von Leyan? I heard speaking today saying that Europe had to stand on their own two feet or words to that effect. Now I know Britain and France agree. We have to hope the other countries agree .

No, that figure is higher than the real one. Europe has contributed more than the US, and lots of the US contribution was weapons they were scrapping, so no cost to them at all.

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 20:27

X

Good attitude from Denmark.

fromthevault · 04/03/2025 20:27

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 20:22

The American have contributed 208 billion dollars I read this week. I wonder how much the European countries have contributed.

The EU lady Von Leyan? I heard speaking today saying that Europe had to stand on their own two feet or words to that effect. Now I know Britain and France agree. We have to hope the other countries agree .

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

As usual, Trump is talking shite.

A Ukrainian team fires a US donated HIMARS at a Russian position. The rocket is being launched and fire can be seen coming out of it.

How much has the US given to Ukraine?

President Trump has repeatedly claimed that the US has given over $300bn to Ukraine, but he is incorrect.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/crew8y7pwd5o

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 20:31

The Americans are done. We've got to pull together in Europe.

lifeonmars100 · 04/03/2025 20:35

oakleaffy · 04/03/2025 17:53

I was impressed at how physically agile Zelensky is..At least he isn't assaulting woman by grabbing them by the 'pussy' as Trump so called it.

and he doesn't talk about his daughter's body and say that if she wasn't his daughter he would be thinking about dating her which Trump feels is totally acceptable thing to say about Ivanka.

user9876543211 · 04/03/2025 20:47

Stirabout · 04/03/2025 15:24

Sigh

Not to derail the thread, but I'm not sure why this is so upsetting to you? Would you like to refute this? As I've said, I'm open on it. Or just scoff?

Stirabout · 04/03/2025 20:54

user9876543211 · 04/03/2025 20:47

Not to derail the thread, but I'm not sure why this is so upsetting to you? Would you like to refute this? As I've said, I'm open on it. Or just scoff?

The only thing that’s upsetting was your rude
sigh
remark

Its unnecessary.
Doesn't feel nice does it.
Better to post a polite response. It’s more effective

tobee · 04/03/2025 21:00

There's quite a few posters on this thread who seem remarkably not fluent in English/American English on this thread.

The US did very nicely out of WWII. No buildings to rebuild. No years and years of rationing after VE Day and VJ Day for them. The Golden Age of Capitalism.

From the Library of Congress:-

When World War II ended, the United States was in better economic condition than any other country in the world. Even the 300,000 combat deaths suffered by Americans paled in comparison to any other major belligerent.
Building on the economic base left after the war, American society became more affluent in the postwar years than most Americans could have imagined in their wildest dreams before or during the war. Public policy, like the so-called GI Bill of Rights passed in 1944, provided money for veterans to attend college, to purchase homes, and to buy farms. The overall impact of such public policies was almost incalculable, but it certainly aided returning veterans to better themselves and to begin forming families and having children in unprecedented numbers.

southerngirl10 · 04/03/2025 21:01

Not a fan of the BBC (British Bullshi**ing Company), but even they have just run with a headline - Zelensky Willing To Work Under Trump's Strong Leadership.

Well done Zelensky. He knows a strong leader when he sees one!

cardibach · 04/03/2025 21:02

southerngirl10 · 04/03/2025 21:01

Not a fan of the BBC (British Bullshi**ing Company), but even they have just run with a headline - Zelensky Willing To Work Under Trump's Strong Leadership.

Well done Zelensky. He knows a strong leader when he sees one!

Trump is the opposite of strong. Bullies aren’t strong. Plus he’s thin skinned. It’s being reported like that because that’s what needs to be said to make the weak little man Trump feel better.

Careertimenow · 04/03/2025 21:07

Stirabout · 04/03/2025 20:54

The only thing that’s upsetting was your rude
sigh
remark

Its unnecessary.
Doesn't feel nice does it.
Better to post a polite response. It’s more effective

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I get it she made you feel silly. Not too worry you'll get over it like the rest of us had to get over the catastrophic Brexit results.

justasking111 · 04/03/2025 21:08

USA are winning all the way they either get the minerals in Ukraine or they make a mint selling Europe weapons to hold back Russia.

southerngirl10 · 04/03/2025 21:11

cardibach · 04/03/2025 21:02

Trump is the opposite of strong. Bullies aren’t strong. Plus he’s thin skinned. It’s being reported like that because that’s what needs to be said to make the weak little man Trump feel better.

So, you're saying Zelensky didn't say it then?

528htz · 04/03/2025 21:13

southerngirl10 · 04/03/2025 21:01

Not a fan of the BBC (British Bullshi**ing Company), but even they have just run with a headline - Zelensky Willing To Work Under Trump's Strong Leadership.

Well done Zelensky. He knows a strong leader when he sees one!

Um no, trump is a complete imbecile, always has been, always will be. He can't even string a coherent sentence together. He's afflicted with a particularly unpleasant personality disorder which strips him of all semblance of humanity and has basically reduced him to a state of being a maggot which hangs around waiting for putin to drop him a few crumbs. He's a parody. An utter mediocrity. America deserve all they're going to get for voting him into office.

Putin is just a cheap, nasty little hood rat.

cardibach · 04/03/2025 21:13

southerngirl10 · 04/03/2025 21:11

So, you're saying Zelensky didn't say it then?

No, I’m explaining why he said it.

tobee · 04/03/2025 21:14

southerngirl10 · 04/03/2025 21:01

Not a fan of the BBC (British Bullshi**ing Company), but even they have just run with a headline - Zelensky Willing To Work Under Trump's Strong Leadership.

Well done Zelensky. He knows a strong leader when he sees one!

Weak as gnat's piss

southerngirl10 · 04/03/2025 21:14

So, he lied then?