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AIBU to be utterly horrified that the US has cut off military aid to Ukraine?

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Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr · 04/03/2025 11:20

I was hoping that it was mostly just bluster from Trump. But we've woken up to the news that he has actually done it. He's literally swapped sides in the war and is now standing with the aggressor, Russia, and abandoning the victim, Ukraine.

At least some Americans are speaking out against the decision:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A8510a9e0-ea40-4895-835d-bb747d6b0339#post

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A43d2db68-32ae-47f3-a550-8a5bd491beb9#post

Ukraine war latest: US pauses military aid to Ukraine as EU chief says Europe is 'ready to step up'

Meanwhile, Russia says Donald Trump's move is "the best contribution to the cause of peace".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c981p3dxnent?post=asset%3A09fa0e7f-6f1e-4770-9096-c5228d00635f#post

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oakleaffy · 04/03/2025 17:37
staring sam rockwell GIF

Trump is Putin's Poodle.

fromthevault · 04/03/2025 17:40

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 15:04

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Zelensky in heels … dancing

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Apologies, but you're going to have to point out where and how this is a bad thing?

Your beloved orange-utan is basically a game-show host, after all, so surely you can't be suggesting that a background in light entertainment makes a man unfit for serious public office?

wholettheturnipsburn · 04/03/2025 17:44

@Bleekers Thanks for posting that video clip, I love it

Did you think we should be shocked? Not sure what you were trying to prove.

Ps. It's old news. It's been doing the rounds for a few years now

oakleaffy · 04/03/2025 17:53

wholettheturnipsburn · 04/03/2025 17:44

@Bleekers Thanks for posting that video clip, I love it

Did you think we should be shocked? Not sure what you were trying to prove.

Ps. It's old news. It's been doing the rounds for a few years now

I was impressed at how physically agile Zelensky is..At least he isn't assaulting woman by grabbing them by the 'pussy' as Trump so called it.

cardibach · 04/03/2025 17:53

Jade520 · 04/03/2025 12:59

I don't think anyone is saying it's Zelensky pocketing it all but Ukraine has had huge problems with corruption and although they are really moving forwards they are still way down the table.

'According to the most widely cited source—the annual ranking of corruption by Transparency International (TI)—Ukraine has scored poorly for decades. As late as 2016, amid major anti-corruption reforms, TI’s survey still judged Ukraine to be as corrupt as Russia. The most recent TI index suggests that Ukraine has made some strides since then, but it still ranks 104th among 180 countries. Denmark is ranked first—meaning that it is perceived as cleanest—while Russia ranks 141st.'

'Last year, Ukrainian authorities opened a criminal case against Dmytro Firtash, an oligarch also wanted in the United States for corruption, alleging that his group embezzled $484 million from the Ukrainian state treasury in a scheme involving gas transit fees.'

I'm not pro Trump by any means though, voting in a narcissistic megalomaniac is never a clever move in my book. That doesn't mean though that we should pretend Ukraine is squeaky clean.

foreignpolicy.com/2024/03/06/ukraine-corruption-reforms-russia-war/

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So better than Russia then. And not massively below halfway down. Not one of the most corrupt as the poster I responded to said, I believe.
Edit: the poster said ‘very high up’.

oakleaffy · 04/03/2025 17:56

The dancing was a take off of a boy band from when Zelensky was a comedian.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/video-zelenskyy-dancing-high-heels/

Petuniaspetal · 04/03/2025 17:56

The coke head thing about Zelensky was an altered video, ........whereas there is Musks reliance on ketamine which he has admitted to.

Then there is trump himself who was snorting something during his apprentice days and certainly an interviews recently where he sniffs alot and sounds as if there was something shoved up his piggy little snout. Theres also rumours of appetite suppressants and maybe the little blue pills to help his little member. 👌...Source Stormy Daniels

Petuniaspetal · 04/03/2025 17:59

cardibach · 04/03/2025 17:53

So better than Russia then. And not massively below halfway down. Not one of the most corrupt as the poster I responded to said, I believe.
Edit: the poster said ‘very high up’.

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Every government in the world has some corruption but some of it is REALLY bad ...America though invited their thieves in, opened the safe doors and told them to fill their boots.

Jumpingthruhoops · 04/03/2025 18:00

Stickytreacle · 04/03/2025 11:29

I genuinely think he's a Russian asset, I think it's worrying that we share so much intelligence with the U.S. We are on the brink of the possibility of a very different world in future, militarily, financially and morally. I just hope Europe pulls together and stays strong.

And you don't think being 'friends' with someone like Putin is a good thing because..?
As I understand it, the US called for peace, so why would they continue to fund a war?

Bleekers · 04/03/2025 18:01

fromthevault · 04/03/2025 17:40

Apologies, but you're going to have to point out where and how this is a bad thing?

Your beloved orange-utan is basically a game-show host, after all, so surely you can't be suggesting that a background in light entertainment makes a man unfit for serious public office?

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It was in context of an earlier post. But can conclude clowns to left left of me and jokers to the right.

tobee · 04/03/2025 18:08

itsjustbiology · 04/03/2025 12:15

I am sorry but I have never in my 50 pus years on this earth read so much crap and seen so many hysterical posts as on this thread. its bloody ridiculous.where on earth are you getting your bizarre ideas from?
President Trump is posturing and making a very valid point to the world,us included,cannot you see that?He is taking a stand and a valid one at that that America is not the saviour of the world especially financially.Why do you all expect that country to finance everything? America owes no country anything, and why should the President and citizens of America be subject to such disrespect? Aid has temporarily been suspended. This is to force the hand of the little man running round the world with his hands out in his action man clothes demanding every other country finance his every whim whilst billions of pounds has gone "missing". Nobody,not one single country,us,France,anyone can go into this with alleged peacekeepers or boots on the ground without America no one, you should remember that.No American backing No dice and no one can move and no peace. Whilst our Pm is rallying leaders of nations no one has the money.weapons or troops to move an inch without America. Trump is forcing the hand of Zalensky to negociate. As for being a russian plant well ffs grow up.This war will be stopped round a table not on the battlefield as zalensky would like glorified by dead soldiers on the ground. I would step back,calm down and have a chill about which scenario would play out the best for everyone.

Great big long post. But no mention of Trump recklessly giving everything to Putin that he wants.

Funny the way that the really indefensible actions are not mentioned by these kind of posters.

sidebirds · 04/03/2025 18:08

Petuniaspetal · 04/03/2025 17:56

The coke head thing about Zelensky was an altered video, ........whereas there is Musks reliance on ketamine which he has admitted to.

Then there is trump himself who was snorting something during his apprentice days and certainly an interviews recently where he sniffs alot and sounds as if there was something shoved up his piggy little snout. Theres also rumours of appetite suppressants and maybe the little blue pills to help his little member. 👌...Source Stormy Daniels

Yes, there was a dodgy altered video of Zelenskyy appearing to take cocaine, however if one keeps an attentive eye on footage of him - for example the full 50 minute press conference from the Oval Office - the telltale signs are there: sniffing and touching his nostrils. Suspected 'dutch courage' that exacerbated his peevish conduct 🤨

*EDITED to explain: "telltale signs" - I once worked with someone in a 'high-powered' business environment with the exact same mannerisms. He turned out to have the habit of which Z is frequently accused.

Aaron95 · 04/03/2025 18:09

Zebedee999 · 04/03/2025 15:35

I think they are going isolationist. "America first" was what Trump was elected upon. Sick of US money being spent overseas maybe?

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More than that. Trump has no qualms about big organisations (or countries) bullying smaller ones and is happy to do so. He is railroading Ukraine into giving him what he wants and is trying to use the power of the US economy to bully Mexico and Canada into giving him what he wants as well.

He also doesn't give a rats arse about the soverignty of nations or their right to exit. Hence why he is siding with Russia and is quite happy to see Ukraine dimnish in size or disappear so long as he and Russia get what they want.

cardibach · 04/03/2025 18:20

sidebirds · 04/03/2025 18:08

Yes, there was a dodgy altered video of Zelenskyy appearing to take cocaine, however if one keeps an attentive eye on footage of him - for example the full 50 minute press conference from the Oval Office - the telltale signs are there: sniffing and touching his nostrils. Suspected 'dutch courage' that exacerbated his peevish conduct 🤨

*EDITED to explain: "telltale signs" - I once worked with someone in a 'high-powered' business environment with the exact same mannerisms. He turned out to have the habit of which Z is frequently accused.

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Zelenskyy wasn’t peevish. He was very calm. Don’t think that’s compatible with cocaine.

MadamePeriwinkle · 04/03/2025 18:23

BunfightBetty · 04/03/2025 11:58

I’m starting to wonder if we’ll be looking at another grassy knoll scenario, if he keeps this up.

Unless the Russians have nobbled all the security services too.

We can but hope

Petuniaspetal · 04/03/2025 18:23

sidebirds · 04/03/2025 18:08

Yes, there was a dodgy altered video of Zelenskyy appearing to take cocaine, however if one keeps an attentive eye on footage of him - for example the full 50 minute press conference from the Oval Office - the telltale signs are there: sniffing and touching his nostrils. Suspected 'dutch courage' that exacerbated his peevish conduct 🤨

*EDITED to explain: "telltale signs" - I once worked with someone in a 'high-powered' business environment with the exact same mannerisms. He turned out to have the habit of which Z is frequently accused.

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Any thoughts on trump and his snorting sniffing snuffling incoherence over the years or is it just Zelensky? Amazing how your indignation for Zelenskys apparent drug use never seems to stretch as far as trump.or musk. Funny that.
The'peevish' conduct seemed to be more trump and vance,
Lied about saying he hadn't thanked them
Lied about the amount of money spent on Ukraine
Lied about Zelensky canvassing for Biden

There's not alot trump and vance are good at but lieing seems to be something they're prolific and consummate at.

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 18:25

cardibach · 04/03/2025 18:20

Zelenskyy wasn’t peevish. He was very calm. Don’t think that’s compatible with cocaine.

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Agree. Seen loads of cokeheads in action and that wasn’t it.

Maray1967 · 04/03/2025 18:25

nuned · 04/03/2025 12:24

Do we actually want a full on war with Russia ?

We are going to get nuked.

I for one, don't want a war. I'm not willing to die for Ukraine.

You’ve already got one. Agents of the Russian state murdered a British citizen in the UK. Wake up.

sleepwouldbenice · 04/03/2025 18:25

sidebirds · 04/03/2025 18:08

Yes, there was a dodgy altered video of Zelenskyy appearing to take cocaine, however if one keeps an attentive eye on footage of him - for example the full 50 minute press conference from the Oval Office - the telltale signs are there: sniffing and touching his nostrils. Suspected 'dutch courage' that exacerbated his peevish conduct 🤨

*EDITED to explain: "telltale signs" - I once worked with someone in a 'high-powered' business environment with the exact same mannerisms. He turned out to have the habit of which Z is frequently accused.

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Give it up

nuned · 04/03/2025 18:42

@Maray1967 that's not really the same as an out and out war, is it.

DuncinToffee · 04/03/2025 18:48

Maray1967 · 04/03/2025 18:25

You’ve already got one. Agents of the Russian state murdered a British citizen in the UK. Wake up.

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7 years ago today

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 19:05

This is a comment I have just stumbled across on a shorter thread. I have no words.

HelplessSoul · Today 16:46

I'm sure American taxpayers are wondering why the fuck their tax dollars a funding a war on the other side of the world that the US neither started or is a part of.
Trump is right to have withdrawn aid to that clown Zelensky.
Zelensky's non-apology-apology proves he is an entitled asshat - pretending to grovel now because he knows he is fucked without the backing of the USA.
He desecrated the Oval Office by trying to argue with Trump with the media there.
He should go back and beg for forgiveness too. He's an entitled CFC.

@HelplessSoul Read this thread, and educate yourself. Your comment is embarrassing quite honestly, you have the exact mindset Trump prays upon. What a world we live in, I'm ashamed to say I have brought children into it.

Psychostates · 04/03/2025 19:16

Wildflowers99 · 04/03/2025 18:25

Agree. Seen loads of cokeheads in action and that wasn’t it.

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Agree too. It was a cheap shot.

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