Angela Rayner’s glottal stops are infuriating

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AIBU to be so irritated by the deputy PM’s lazy speech? I was listening to her being interviewed this morning and I was distracted by her Bri-ish/righ-/wai-ed. I googled her and apparently when asking a question about the lockdown parties she said ‘Was you there or not?’
Why does it anger me so much? It is not her accent. I am northern but I don’t drop my t’s and I know when to use was and were.
Her lazy speech distracts from the content. I have my theories but I would love to hear other people’s opinions.

If she does, then I've never seen evidence of it.

I have. The erudite and highly intelligent Rory Stewart was very impressed by her.

I'm a little confused. You mentioned the faintness of your accent, and accuracy of your grammar as evidence of your intelligence despite not having a cut glass RP accent.

My point is the you could have a strong Midlands accent, use heavily dialectal grammar of the region and would still have the same cognitive abilities that you have now.

Truthfully, the role of ministers is to be able to discharge their duties for the benefit of the country's population. This requires a range of competencies and experience other than purely cognitive intelligence and being articulate (very difficult to disentangle from accent dialect).
There will be people more cognitively able but less competent at the job.

My point is the you could have a strong Midlands accent, use heavily dialectal grammar of the region and would still have the same cognitive abilities that you have now

Well, except I'm privately educated, university educated and studied at post-grad level, too.

You’d still have the same brain - did you deliberately miss the entire point of that post?

No, my brain is different because it has received the benefits of an excellent education, too. Which AR hasn't.

😂ee bah gum, I feel fair mithered by the eloquence delayed by the highly, and expensively, educated voices on this thread. I'm skulking off back to my proper place over there by the sink where I won't be obliged to exchange words with anyone. I just can't keep up with privately educated, university educated and what's this? A PhD? Gor bloody blimey.

Your brain and intellect are precisely the same. You can’t buy intelligence.

Me too. Private school, degree, master's. I hold a senior leadership role. I also speak with a Scouse accent (and, gasp, not a faint one!) although my grammar is excellent unless I have been drinking wine.

Not sure what being privately educated has to do with anything. I went on the old assisted places scheme to a supposedly very academic private school and some of the people I went to school with were cognitively not very able at all (that's a euphemism for thick as pig shit ) and pretty ignorant of the world around them. They spoke naicely though 🙄.

The more you post the more you are revealing a range of unconscious bias...

My point is that depending on your life and professional experience, and the nature of your qualifications and personal attributes (this one is really important... the strength of character required to go from teen single mum in a low wage job, to deputy PM by her early 40s cannot be emphasised enough) all contribute to your overall capability.
If you were really more able than AR, you would be the ones in a role like hers.

However you are not, despite all of the opportunities you have had that she has not.
Edited because my feeble Scouse brain made a typo!

She had to leave school at 16 to raise her son do you realise that up until very recently most people left school at 16 or even younger. Some of the greatest minds on this earth never went to uni, you are not better than anyone just because you went to uni 🙄

Certainly not saying it makes me any better. But doesn't change the fact that AR is woefully uneducated.

Yes, I'm sure she's very driven with laudable strength of character etc. But there's no getting away from the fact that she is totally uneducated.

I like her Mancs accent, she sounds very working class

The amount of people I know who went to uni and have nothing to show for it except a load of student debt please don't make me laugh. She spent that time raising her son and learning about politics (you do not need to go to uni to learn) arguably she is happier and doing a lot better than most of the people who go on about her being uneducated. I say this as someone who has never and will never vote labour btw

Never said you could. And being intelligent and being educated don't necessarily mean the same thing, at all.

But AR will be rubbing shoulders with people who are very much both, whilst she is not.

And holding her own. Because most educated people respect untrained intellect and strength of character without a piece of paper. We established way back on this thread that intelligence and education are different.

No, I think HE will always benefit students intellectually, to a greater or lesser degree. They will always leave university with something more than just student debt.

Yes, of course they do.

She's been a politician for almost a decade now I believe, rubbing shoulders with people who went to uni for quite a while and doing perfectly fine.

Im starting to think you're jealous 😉 behind the screen is a pile of student debt and not much else I think. I've noticed people who leave having children too late and then have fertility issues can be spiteful towards young mums too.

You sound bitter and a bit envious of her position with a little bit of how dare she thrown in. Do you speak like this in real life is this the beliefs that your "circle"see?

What I dislike about AR isn't so much her accent but that she can never answer a direct question. She's infuriating, just deflect, deflect, every time.

To be honest that's just politicians for you they all do it don't they? When they go on TV they have a "script" that they follow most journalists try and trip them up talking about something else, that's when the deflection starts.

So one in another language, then?

To be fair, I don't think any politician responds to a direct question with a direct answer, do they?

I think they all take lessons in deliberate obfuscation.

No, I'm honestly really, really not. My life is so much nicer than AR's.